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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army if the game

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is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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welcome fade to black

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bespoke radio

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uh yeah man how you doing today is

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wednesday

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this is going to be an amazing night get

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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this is fade to block for kjcr the game

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changer and on x networks

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our murals jimmy church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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tonight's

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we welcome very special guests john

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burroughs is here

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we've we've had two very important weeks

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covering the ufo hearing

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and tonight we're going to continue that

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with uh john

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a lot to discuss i want everybody to get

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ready a very important show this is a

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not to miss show tomorrow night

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is fader night with open lines all night

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long

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all right now i uh i got my hair cut

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and uh i got my hair cut

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i had this you know about an inch and a

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i was like

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nothing happened what did i just pay for

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and uh but it's it's lighter i feel i

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and uh so there you go so yeah i'm fresh

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fresh got my hair cut got a clean shirt

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preparation for john burroughs who will

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be with us at the bottom of the hour

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last night we had billy carson on the

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show uh discussing the black knight

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detroit this weekend for the world

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the black knight satellite that is

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well here's your chance

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to come and hang out with billy and

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myself red carpet q a the whole thing

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the pageantry come and hang out with us

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in detroit and and make your plans uh

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there are still a few tickets available

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um and they are

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uh right below us in the description box

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also over on our website and in social

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media so come and do that and then

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right here in los angeles california i

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will be hosting disclosure fest

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it's a one-day event june 18th

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and just go to disclosurefest.org

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for tickets and information this is a

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huge event and it is so much fun

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if you're on youtube i don't know if

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you're listening or if you're watching

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and if if uh you're not there then just

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head over to our website everything is

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and there you go now i've got a lot of

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i'm gonna watch it tomorrow um but did

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uh hear uh what your thoughts are on

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that now let's get to the breaking news

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elon musk man i haven't done elon musk

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news in like 10 days

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elon musk

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that tesla office workers return to

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in-person work

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or leave the company

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the policy was disclosed in leaked

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primary workplace where the other

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job duties end quote

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hey elon any additional comment to

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people who think coming to work is an

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and uh i'm i'm with elon on this one

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i'm 100 with elon on this one he can do

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what he wants earlier today

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canadian regulators found that tim

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hortons

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that's right that popular fast food

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chain coffee and donuts

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to track and collect sensitive location

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an investigation led by canada's privacy

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with the help of the u.s company radar

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tim hortons was able to collect data on

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described as continual and vast

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ultimately served no legitimate purpose

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tim hortons may have hoped to gain from

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better targeted promotion of its coffee

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company began in 2020

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the tracking occurred even when the app

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shattered the military's glass ceiling

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united states coast guard and the first

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female officer to lead a branch of the

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incredible story

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now archaeologists in the uk

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recently had their eyebrows raised now

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cover their ears i know this is a family

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i normally don't go there but this time

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that's because archaeologists in the uk

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recently had their eyebrows raised

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when they discovered an x-rated carving

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the graffiti features a crude penis

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accompanied by a phrase that experts

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the [\h__\h]

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and all of that was next to someone's

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name and it seems to have been etched

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out by a roman soldier to insult a

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the stone which is 16 inches wide yes

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was uncovered may 19th

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at vindalanda the ruins of a roman fort

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fortified structure that served as the

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northern frontier of the roman empire

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archaeologist dylan herbert a retired

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biochemist from wales

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nasa today big announcement

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caz

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i knew you would post a picture of the

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penis stone

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there it is everybody just go to

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you can follow me on twitter or you go

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and uh you know what i'm just going to

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retweet this

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and call this

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penis stone i just said penis like five

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times i've never done that on this show

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once

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[Laughter]

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but there it is everybody follow me on

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twitter and you can see it yourself

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thank you kaz

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has is quick

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when it comes to x-rated roman art

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and there you go all right

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nasa earlier today selected axiom space

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and collins aerospace to advance space

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walking capabilities in low earth orbit

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and on the moon

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by buying services that provide

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astronauts with next generation space

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suit and space walk systems to work

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outside the international space station

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explore the lunar surface on the artemis

293
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missions and prepare for humans missions

294
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to mars

295
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big news today they look cool too by the

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way

297
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well everybody knows about the big

298
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the big breaking news from earlier today

299
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because the jury has found both amber

300
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heard and johnny depp liable for

301
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defamation in their lawsuits against

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each other

303
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the jury awarded significantly more

304
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damages to debt by the way a legal win

305
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for the actor

306
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the jury found that her defamed dep in

307
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three separate statements in the

308
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washington post piece that was the

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center of the trial and that depp

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defamed heard with one statement that

311
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his attorney made

312
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the jury awarded depp ten million

313
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dollars in compensatory damages and five

314
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million dollars in punitive damages the

315
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jury awarded her two million dollars in

316
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compensatory damages and no money for

317
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punitive damages punitive damages by the

318
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way in the state of virginia are capped

319
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at 350

320
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dollars

321
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so the judge reduced the punitive

322
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damages awarded to depp

323
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incredible now i didn't

324
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i didn't watch the try i didn't have the

325
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time plus i don't have actual tv

326
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right i've just got all those apps and

327
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and streaming services so i don't have

328
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any live news or anything like that

329
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but i gotta tell you

330
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i don't know how many conversations i

331
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have had with friends on the phone from

332
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around the country

333
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i'm like uh so what are you doing

334
00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:56,320
watching uh the johnny depp trial right

335
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really

336
00:17:02,790 --> 00:17:00,079
i mean it was like everybody that i knew

337
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uh was watching this trial i

338
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i happened to miss it i i kept up on it

339
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but uh i didn't see the action live

340
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all right let's get this show cracking

341
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on this day in history

342
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otd 1967

343
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the beatles release sergeant pepper's

344
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lonely hearts club band

345
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the beatles eighth studio album that

346
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would become regarded by many as the

347
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greatest in the history of rock and roll

348
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just 10 years later the world got van

349
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halen

350
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i'm just saying

351
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fader fact

352
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all right

353
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you know what every single day when i

354
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:46,559
get to the fader fact i think to myself

355
00:17:51,190 --> 00:17:48,880
this is the best this is the greatest

356
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fader fact ever they just get better and

357
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better and today

358
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it's like that

359
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here's your fader fact

360
00:18:03,750 --> 00:17:59,679
in 1991

361
00:18:06,710 --> 00:18:03,760
orestes lorenzo perez a cuban military

362
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:06,720
pilot defected to the united states in a

363
00:18:10,710 --> 00:18:08,480
mig-23

364
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,720
that's right we all know the story

365
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,080
but then

366
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in 1992 a year later

367
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he piloted a cessna 310

368
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back to cuba where he landed on a

369
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:25,039
crowded road picked up his wife and sons

370
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:27,679
and returned back to the united states

371
00:18:32,789 --> 00:18:29,840
landing in florida

372
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:32,799
total time on cuban soil

373
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about one minute

374
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:37,120
and that

375
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:39,120
is your fader fact

376
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tonight we welcome very special guest

377
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:42,400
john burroughs is here

378
00:18:48,390 --> 00:18:45,679
continuing our ufo hearing coverage

379
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uh one of the biggest days

380
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uh i think in in history and it went

381
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down

382
00:18:56,789 --> 00:18:55,280
on may 17th in washington dc we're going

383
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to be talking about that and much more

384
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tonight with john tomorrow night is

385
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:01,360
another fader night with open lines all

386
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night long now

387
00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:12,270
um

388
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:15,110
rivermoonwellness.com john burroughs

389
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:17,200
drinks fade to black blend

390
00:19:21,350 --> 00:19:19,520
he knows what time it is skyhawk just

391
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:21,360
tweeted great movie

392
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:23,760
so i guess he did his homework i told

393
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:26,240
everybody to watch the disappearance of

394
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,080
flight 4-1-2 last night after the show

395
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:32,720
and he says here he says

396
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:35,120
great movie quote from the disappearance

397
00:19:39,350 --> 00:19:36,880
of flight 412

398
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:39,360
it seems to me that you got to sort of

399
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:41,600
take a scientific approach to this

400
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:44,240
either you prove these things exist or

401
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:46,799
you prove that they don't exist but you

402
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:50,160
don't pretend they're not there

403
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:52,720
great movie jimmy thanks i'm telling you

404
00:19:56,950 --> 00:19:54,960
that movie was it 1974 thought it was

405
00:19:58,230 --> 00:19:56,960
1972.

406
00:20:03,990 --> 00:19:58,240
man

407
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:04,000
one of those movie roles uh before i

408
00:20:07,669 --> 00:20:05,280
move on here

409
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:07,679
you know glenn who's been in such you

410
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:10,080
know huge movies and such a big star and

411
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,280
a big actor and you get that script from

412
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:15,360
your agent and you're like okay well

413
00:20:18,149 --> 00:20:16,640
it's a paid gig

414
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:18,159
all right i'll take it and you don't

415
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:19,440
realize

416
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,080
uh what a great film it turns out to be

417
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:24,240
and it's uh and same thing with david's

418
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:25,520
soul right

419
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:27,120
but uh it's a great movie the

420
00:20:31,029 --> 00:20:29,039
disappearance of flight 412. i got a

421
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:31,039
bunch of email today from you

422
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:33,679
out there that did go and see the movie

423
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,280
and you all agreed

424
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,120
that wow i didn't know i didn't know

425
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:39,360
about this movie and you're right jimmy

426
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,240
wow

427
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:42,559
it is it's a great movie

428
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,440
all right uh i wonder if burroughs

429
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,440
has seen the disappearance of flight

430
00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:49,120
412.

431
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:50,840
all right

432
00:20:55,669 --> 00:20:53,120
rivermoonwellness.com promo code f2b

433
00:21:02,789 --> 00:20:55,679
blend fade to black blend the best

434
00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:05,669
i am often asked

435
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:08,799
like in a lot right

436
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:12,720
what is my favorite all-time ufo case

437
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,960
i get it all the time i'm out i'm at a

438
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,400
conference somebody comes up hey jimmy

439
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:17,840
it's great to meet you great to meet you

440
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:19,760
you know we're from uh you know we're

441
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:23,200
from uh uh michigan okay cool

442
00:21:27,669 --> 00:21:25,360
hey jimmy i've always wanted to ask you

443
00:21:30,630 --> 00:21:27,679
what's your favorite ufo case

444
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:30,640
right it just happens all the time doing

445
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:33,919
interviews and and it it comes up

446
00:21:37,990 --> 00:21:36,159
right and and i get it and i understand

447
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:38,000
the interest

448
00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,200
and i always answer pretty quickly

449
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:43,679
you know what i kind of i i throw a

450
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,440
little acting in there i do a little

451
00:21:50,549 --> 00:21:47,520
marlon brando and you know throw some

452
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:50,559
acting in and uh dramatic pause like

453
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,919
i've got to think about this for a

454
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:52,960
second

455
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,880
but the answer is always the same

456
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:56,960
randall shim

457
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:01,750
now christina gomez and i will be

458
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:04,400
discussing this in depth tomorrow on her

459
00:22:08,710 --> 00:22:07,520
show and and i can't wait for it

460
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:08,720
and

461
00:22:13,110 --> 00:22:09,679
it's

462
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,120
it just doesn't get the coverage that it

463
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,039
should

464
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,120
and it has been investigated

465
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:20,000
documentaries tv shows talk shows radio

466
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,840
programs books

467
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,600
it's been investigated from every

468
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:25,679
direction for the last 40 years and then

469
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,039
that part is is pretty pretty solid

470
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,470
rendal shim

471
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:37,440
is that important

472
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:39,679
and it and it's that important for for

473
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:42,559
many many reasons

474
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:45,679
now my interest in the case

475
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:49,200
uh started with some light reading

476
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,320
in

477
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:52,960
the early 90s i had heard about the case

478
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,679
i'd seen some stuff on tv

479
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:57,919
and then the internet starts to roll

480
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,320
around and i'm on different

481
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:02,480
uh like paranet and i'm on these

482
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,960
different ufo groups and i'm

483
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:07,039
searching and i'm doing my thing right

484
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:09,679
and then

485
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,159
i'll i'll never forget it i was i was

486
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:14,240
home i was alone

487
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:15,360
and

488
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:16,880
back then

489
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:19,760
now i'm talking about

490
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:26,470
like right in there

491
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:27,760
right the internet really hasn't

492
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:29,600
happened yet i don't even think

493
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:31,919
mozilla or whatever

494
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:34,480
whatever those other search engines you

495
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:35,440
know

496
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,320
where

497
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:37,919
i don't think they were invented yet and

498
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:40,960
you had a aol but there were ways to get

499
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:43,200
on the internet and search things

500
00:23:49,909 --> 00:23:48,230
find

501
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,919
and i don't even remember how this

502
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:51,120
happened

503
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,799
but i find the audio recordings

504
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,559
that i had heard before but never had a

505
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:58,480
chance to really analyze

506
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,360
um

507
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,480
i got to uh colonel halt's

508
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:05,039
tape recordings on the net

509
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:07,679
and remember back then on the net

510
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:10,480
getting audio on the net getting a jpeg

511
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:12,640
on the net took forever

512
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,440
and

513
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:15,840
we're talking about if people today they

514
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,840
just don't get it and you have whatever

515
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:19,919
5g on your cell phone and you can stream

516
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,559
whatever but back then to get a picture

517
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,320
to load you had to wait for like a

518
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,640
minute and a half and a chi

519
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:27,919
chi

520
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,640
and go and do something come back and

521
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:34,799
hopefully the picture is now on the

522
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,159
screen it was like that and so audio

523
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:41,039
was rare

524
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,919
but i found the audio files

525
00:24:47,830 --> 00:24:45,120
and

526
00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:47,840
i don't even remember how this happened

527
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,240
especially back then with the technology

528
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,559
but i got them saved

529
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:54,799
and i was able to play them back and

530
00:25:00,390 --> 00:24:58,640
then i got the transcripts

531
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,400
and i'm listening to the audio

532
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,880
recordings uh this is all in one day and

533
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:05,039
i've got the uh transcripts now that was

534
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,880
in the afternoon it's now late at night

535
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:10,400
and

536
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:18,880
again

537
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,679
visualizing what is going on and then

538
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:23,120
going back

539
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:24,000
and

540
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:35,919
were

541
00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:38,640
but one thing is for sure

542
00:25:42,549 --> 00:25:39,440
with

543
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:42,559
um this being a military case

544
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,159
number one

545
00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:46,480
and number two

546
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,600
that the three main at everybody's still

547
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:51,760
alive but the three main peniston halt

548
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:53,200
and burrows

549
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,799
are still with us and can still

550
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,080
share

551
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:00,400
their information and their experience

552
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:01,520
with us

553
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:04,320
that's what makes rental shim

554
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:05,039
as

555
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:11,279
have right now in all of ufology

556
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:13,440
there's that then there's all of the

557
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,480
other players you have that then you

558
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:18,320
have the fact that this is a military

559
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,279
case

560
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:22,159
that we have bent waters and woodbridge

561
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:26,080
uh to uh two air bases that are uh

562
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,919
touching each other over in the united

563
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,000
kingdom you have the paper trail you

564
00:26:35,190 --> 00:26:33,440
have the debriefings you have uh you

565
00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:35,200
have a flight line

566
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,360
you have ammunition

567
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,919
some say that there was nuclear weapons

568
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:42,240
that were stored there that has still

569
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,640
never been confirmed because there's not

570
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:46,559
supposed to be any nuclear weapons from

571
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:49,360
the united states in the united kingdom

572
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:53,440
so were there don't know but all of this

573
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,000
plays out and this went all the way

574
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:58,320
through the ministry of defense and the

575
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,120
united states air force and continues to

576
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:02,720
this day

577
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,679
the the case is so complex and the

578
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,159
the memories and the recollections from

579
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:12,000
everybody

580
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,840
that were there

581
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:15,919
generally speaking

582
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:19,200
have remained consistent for 40 years

583
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,720
i think memories

584
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,399
have been recalled people are

585
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:24,159
remembering more

586
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,559
but you have so many different people

587
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:29,360
involved that not everything is exactly

588
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,720
the same but the event itself and the

589
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,760
and the the basic part of this story and

590
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,840
and how it went down

591
00:27:41,990 --> 00:27:39,919
have remained consistent

592
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,000
then we have the halt memo

593
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,120
uh that uh he prepared

594
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,960
um where the rest of the paperwork and

595
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,440
everything else that uh was collected

596
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,760
and written up around rendelsham

597
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:53,440
um throughout the united states air

598
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,559
force where that is today i don't know

599
00:28:01,909 --> 00:27:59,039
um but i think it exists

600
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:01,919
and i i said this last week and i

601
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,440
brought this up on the show and i'm

602
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,760
certainly going to speak tonight to john

603
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:07,760
burroughs about this who will be with us

604
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:10,320
in just a few short minutes

605
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:12,320
that i think

606
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:13,200
that

607
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,679
need to be called as witnesses for their

608
00:28:23,350 --> 00:28:22,480
testimony if the

609
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,360
uh

610
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,120
if the house of representatives if

611
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:27,360
congress if if the senate

612
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,960
um and the united states uh the the task

613
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:32,320
force

614
00:28:39,190 --> 00:28:37,039
focus on the military aspect to this and

615
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,200
calling witnesses and that that's what

616
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:41,840
they want to focus on and that data

617
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,960
then you have rendleshim it can't stop

618
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:46,960
at 2004

619
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,159
it just cannot and and right now we have

620
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:53,279
the ability to bring both uh

621
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:54,320
burroughs

622
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,480
halt and peniston

623
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:58,559
as witnesses to one of the most

624
00:29:01,830 --> 00:29:00,320
important cases in the history of

625
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,840
everything

626
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,640
so that's why rendul shin to me is

627
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:07,120
important and what we are going through

628
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:08,240
right now

629
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,080
certainly with the hearing from last

630
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:12,240
week and john's insight on that and what

631
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,000
he felt about it

632
00:29:18,070 --> 00:29:16,880
and of course moving forward there are

633
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:18,080
going to be

634
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:19,679
many hearings

635
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,240
and i think one of them should focus on

636
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:23,760
rendelsham

637
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,080
so that's my take tonight john burroughs

638
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:28,399
is with us i'm going to get his opinion

639
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:30,880
his thoughts on everything that has gone

640
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:33,679
down over the last week it has been an

641
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,080
incredible ride tomorrow night is fader

642
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:38,320
night with open lines all night long i'm

643
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your host jimmy church on the game

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changer and unax networks race hobbs

645
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this is fade to black and i will be

646
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:48,080
right back with our guest john burroughs

647
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right after this short break

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00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,880
on the game changer radio network

705
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,960
hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

706
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:32,240
you're listening to jimmy

707
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:41,090
radio

708
00:34:02,549 --> 00:33:59,269
all right welcome back i'm meryl chimney

709
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,559
church this is fade to black tonight

710
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:05,200
john burroughs is with us

711
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,480
we're going to cover

712
00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:08,639
uh the ufo hearing i want to get his

713
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,159
insights

714
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:13,040
and what may be going on also behind the

715
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:14,879
scenes as our government appears to be

716
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,240
moving one step closer to disclosure

717
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:20,159
he entered the united states air force

718
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,159
in 1979 and served 27 years both in

719
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,159
active and reserved

720
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:28,240
the most notable assignment of course

721
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,960
began in 1979 he was assigned as a

722
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,800
security police law enforcement

723
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,399
patrolman

724
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,240
where in the early morning hours of

725
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:39,679
december 26 1980 while working a law

726
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:43,520
enforcement patrol at raf woodbridge he

727
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,119
had a life-changing event where he

728
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,040
conducted an investigation on a

729
00:34:50,869 --> 00:34:49,119
phenomenon which has left the rest of

730
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,879
the world in awe

731
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,800
as one of the most documented and

732
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,800
witnessed sightings by the united states

733
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:57,119
military in known history of course we

734
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,200
are talking about the randall shim

735
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,880
incident and i would like to welcome

736
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,640
back to fade to black

737
00:35:06,630 --> 00:35:05,119
john burroughs john good evening young

738
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,640
man how are you doing

739
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,800
doing good jimmy how are you it's uh

740
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,119
it's all you know what man

741
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:14,240
it's always great to see you john and

742
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:16,000
can i can i just say this because we're

743
00:35:20,550 --> 00:35:17,280
going to have a pretty in-depth

744
00:35:23,670 --> 00:35:20,560
conversation tonight so before we get

745
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,680
started um i'm a radio host that's what

746
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:25,839
i do i'm supposed to remain objective

747
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:27,839
and bring on guests and

748
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,040
and and stay impartial and and do my

749
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,680
thing and and then move on to the next

750
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,000
to the next guest in the next interview

751
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,320
but you and i um

752
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:40,400
over the years have have developed a

753
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,920
pretty cool bond and and friendship and

754
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:45,760
and and i just want to thank you for

755
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,640
that and i'm just excited that when you

756
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,240
do come on the show

757
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,400
because of that we've got a certain

758
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:54,960
amount of trust uh that is uh that is

759
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,280
cemented between us where we can always

760
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,240
have a a very open conversation and and

761
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,800
i think everybody appreciates that we

762
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,800
have that ability to communicate with

763
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,079
each other in that way so i'm going to

764
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,079
thank you for that and welcome back and

765
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:10,960
just say how you feeling

766
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,910
how's the health you good

767
00:36:20,630 --> 00:36:18,560
uh up and down but you know

768
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,640
it uh it was been a rough year had

769
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,200
covered still haven't come back from 100

770
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:25,359
but other than that doing pretty well

771
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:27,920
other than that doing pretty well and uh

772
00:36:33,430 --> 00:36:30,800
the the last two years

773
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:33,440
obviously we're not gonna get into that

774
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,240
but it also i think because of my own

775
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,800
experience it's allowed us a lot of

776
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:40,880
insight you know we've had a lot of time

777
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:43,760
to think and look back and reflect

778
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:44,480
and

779
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,400
developments that are going on right now

780
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:51,280
uh with uaps and ufos and

781
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:54,720
and committees and hearings and reports

782
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,839
um it's it's a pretty stunning string of

783
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:59,680
developments don't you think and and

784
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,280
you've had a lot of

785
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:03,440
a lot of time to just kick back and

786
00:37:06,829 --> 00:37:05,599
observe can you can you believe what is

787
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,839
going on right

788
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,280
now well

789
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:11,280
yes and no i mean

790
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,920
yes it's interesting that they've gotten

791
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,280
it this far

792
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,359
that there is interest from congress

793
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,359
they've held some hearings

794
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,640
but then

795
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,320
the other part is where are we really

796
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:24,160
gone i mean

797
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,839
do you think disclosure's taking place

798
00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:27,839
jimmy

799
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:29,440
i i am

800
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,800
i am shocked and happy that this

801
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:34,720
conversation is happening on so many

802
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,320
fronts with the department of defense uh

803
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:41,119
of course uh with capitol hill

804
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:43,839
uh with the media and with uh some of

805
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:46,079
these witnesses that are coming forward

806
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:47,920
and of course then you have

807
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,480
the efforts of elizondo and chris mellon

808
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,280
and others uh to push this forward too

809
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,599
and then you can even throw avi loeb and

810
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:58,160
and the galileo project into the mix too

811
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,040
as well

812
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:01,280
um this conversation has never been so

813
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,119
out front before so yeah no i'm pretty

814
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:04,960
excited

815
00:38:10,950 --> 00:38:09,359
about it but i think

816
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:10,960
if you really get down to the nuts and

817
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,160
bolts of it

818
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,320
what do people expect

819
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:16,640
what like you're a radio host you've

820
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:18,960
interviewed a lot of guests based on

821
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,440
your interviews and your own opinion

822
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,079
what do you expect to come out of this

823
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:27,359
what okay so and by by the way everybody

824
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,160
john also is uh you know an experienced

825
00:38:34,550 --> 00:38:32,560
radio host so that's how you turn it

826
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,560
around that's called the turn around

827
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,320
well played john

828
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,839
um

829
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:38,560
i

830
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:58,720
a very complex

831
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,680
quite possibly legally troubling issue

832
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:04,160
because this gets real deep real wide

833
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,599
really quick

834
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,640
how how this game is going to be played

835
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:11,119
um that's there's there's some choices

836
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,520
that have to be made and and i just

837
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,960
don't know how that's going to be

838
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,880
handled i think that there's some very

839
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:18,560
smart people here that are looking at

840
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:20,079
every aspect

841
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,760
of this and then when when we consider

842
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,839
and this is the probably the most

843
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:27,920
important part since you asked me the

844
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:29,119
question

845
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:31,040
there are

846
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:32,000
many

847
00:39:41,990 --> 00:39:39,599
that have had health issues resulting

848
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,000
from that stuff that has been documented

849
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,240
not only in the condon report but stuff

850
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,240
that is being talked about now out in

851
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:48,160
the open in the gila brand amendment for

852
00:39:53,109 --> 00:39:49,200
instance

853
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:53,119
and and not only uh physical

854
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,640
uh trauma

855
00:39:59,430 --> 00:39:56,800
but but mental trauma

856
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,440
and if you're going to

857
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:01,520
move this thing forward

858
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,319
then how are they represented

859
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,960
and which includes yourself and your

860
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:08,960
fight for this that has gone all the way

861
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,200
from uh

862
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:13,200
yourself and your family all the way

863
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,079
through

864
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,640
uh mccain's office and and fighting with

865
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,160
the va

866
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,319
and and everything else and having your

867
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:22,640
your own medical records

868
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,359
labeled top secret right

869
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:28,240
and you can't your own doctors

870
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:31,440
can have access to your files because uh

871
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:33,839
they're they're they're classified

872
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:34,960
now

873
00:40:39,349 --> 00:40:37,359
this is all part of the big scope and

874
00:40:41,829 --> 00:40:39,359
and how do they choose to deal with this

875
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,839
moving forward i'm very interested in

876
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,200
this

877
00:40:49,910 --> 00:40:45,839
well there's no doubt i mean

878
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:51,109
lou

879
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,119
you know worked in a program

880
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,280
so he's got the attention of some of the

881
00:40:59,270 --> 00:40:56,880
people in congress

882
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,280
mel and obviously his position he held

883
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:01,119
he was the deputy director i forget

884
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,240
exactly

885
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:04,400
the name of the agency other than they

886
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,319
were the ones that that agency was put

887
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,480
together after 9 11 to tie all the

888
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:10,640
intelligence agencies together

889
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:12,319
so they worked together because one of

890
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:14,720
the problems they said with 9 11 was

891
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,240
that the agencies weren't working

892
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,160
together and talking to each other

893
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:21,359
so it's clear that both of them

894
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,240
have

895
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:24,800
had access to certain things

896
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:25,839
but

897
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:28,800
just as we move along i just have to

898
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,560
ask you and bring up a few points

899
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,480
today lou did an interview

900
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,800
with i think it's buchette isn't that

901
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:38,800
the congressman out of tennessee yeah

902
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,599
timber chet okay now

903
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,280
in the interview he started with saying

904
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:45,200
that when he took the job

905
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,880
he was conor intel

906
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,960
which you have to ask a question from

907
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:50,319
the very beginning

908
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:52,240
why would you put somebody from counter

909
00:41:56,069 --> 00:41:54,960
intel in a uap position

910
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,079
number one

911
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,000
and that that hasn't been looked at very

912
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,760
hard but number two he claimed you

913
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:01,359
didn't even know what the job was at

914
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:04,160
first he said in the interview that

915
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:06,400
moving forward after talking with people

916
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:08,000
then he started to realize what was

917
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,359
going on

918
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,160
so why would you take a guy

919
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:14,800
that has no clue about any of this

920
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:16,960
this counter intel and has it ever been

921
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:18,880
established was he enlisted or was he an

922
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:21,040
officer

923
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:22,720
that's a question that's that's a

924
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,520
question for lou um right but has that

925
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,119
ever been established because i've never

926
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:30,240
heard if it has or not yeah i mean when

927
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:31,359
uh

928
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:37,430
when if if we back all of this up and

929
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:40,240
and we go back to four years ago and we

930
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:43,599
look at his original uh resignation

931
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,480
letter

932
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:46,960
and who it was addressed to

933
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:50,960
um at that point um he

934
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,680
uh he appeared to i mean

935
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:55,760
i i could be wrong but almost a

936
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,200
contractor was he a part of uh

937
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:01,280
a branch of the military at that point

938
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:03,359
or the state department

939
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,240
um

940
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,400
that's a that's a question for lou but

941
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,079
the other part is this

942
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,839
his prior

943
00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:11,119
you know so

944
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,880
what was he doing

945
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,800
uh around the world was he in a branch

946
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:16,560
of the military or was he working for

947
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,760
the state department so yeah that that

948
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,599
that i don't know and

949
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:24,160
everybody's really looked into this

950
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,760
um but i will certainly ask lou yeah

951
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:29,599
but i mean you have to build you have to

952
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,000
build a scenario so

953
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,079
you have melon you have lou

954
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:36,800
reed when he was alive step forward

955
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,040
but what i find interesting is

956
00:43:42,550 --> 00:43:40,880
all three of them

957
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,560
have tried to put pressure on people

958
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:44,400
that have replaced them

959
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:45,520
so

960
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,880
reed was

961
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,720
the in charge of the senate he was a

962
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,720
majority leader at one point

963
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,160
and one of the interesting things about

964
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,520
harry reid was

965
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,520
is when they gave the funding to bigelow

966
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,440
which is another whole

967
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:59,520
branch of this whole thing going down

968
00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:00,720
the path

969
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,599
is

970
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:03,599
that as soon as he started getting data

971
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:05,359
back what was the first thing he wanted

972
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,040
to do with it

973
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:09,680
he wanted to classify it in an sap

974
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:10,720
program

975
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,640
which is the most highly classified

976
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:15,359
program that we have or at least that we

977
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:17,440
know we have who knows if we have

978
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:20,079
something higher than that but sap is

979
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:20,880
pretty

980
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:25,280
so he wanted to do that um

981
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,480
melon never said anything why i was in

982
00:44:33,270 --> 00:44:31,200
lou didn't now he did resign

983
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,280
but

984
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,160
he never really did explain to me and

985
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:38,160
maybe i missed it

986
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,359
he made it sound like they weren't

987
00:44:43,589 --> 00:44:41,760
taking him seriously but he never said

988
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,599
who they were

989
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,839
and he never really you know said how

990
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,240
much he really learned on all this other

991
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:51,040
than their stuff being hidden but if you

992
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:54,800
look at it what why do why does he melon

993
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:57,040
or reed when he was alive think that the

994
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,480
people that replaced them are going to

995
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,720
have to handle this any differently than

996
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:02,079
they did

997
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:05,359
anything when they had a chance to make

998
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:06,800
a difference when they were still in

999
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:09,599
government sure sure well let me ask you

1000
00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:12,079
this because i mean although that is an

1001
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:14,240
interesting point

1002
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,960
um i would have to ask you why though

1003
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,640
why would you

1004
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,640
look into that specifically is it

1005
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:22,079
because of

1006
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:26,400
lou's position now uh working uh

1007
00:45:30,550 --> 00:45:28,640
to get these hearings to happen

1008
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:30,560
and and who he is working with behind

1009
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,680
the scenes and is this a concern i mean

1010
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:34,720
why

1011
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,359
point it's a valid point because number

1012
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,520
one if you think about it

1013
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:43,200
what's changed

1014
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,960
well i mean i understand there's some

1015
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,560
people in congress now that are showing

1016
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:49,440
interest in it but what's changed that's

1017
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,359
going to make the people that replace

1018
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:53,119
them do anything different than they

1019
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,400
were doing

1020
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,720
there they've already clearly stated the

1021
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:59,119
air force is not cooperating right that

1022
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,720
was one of the things that mellon wrote

1023
00:46:04,550 --> 00:46:02,640
about after the hearings the air force

1024
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,560
is still not cooperating yeah it was a

1025
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,319
great article that was a great article

1026
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:08,800
but right but but when you say what has

1027
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,079
changed

1028
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:13,200
i would definitely say and again you're

1029
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:14,960
the guest so i'm gonna i'm gonna throw

1030
00:46:19,910 --> 00:46:17,119
this right back at you this will be the

1031
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,920
next this is the double turnaround okay

1032
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:21,680
but what has changed

1033
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,800
is we had a ufo hearing on may 17th

1034
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,800
right and and that hadn't happened for

1035
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:29,520
54 years so that has changed i think

1036
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,040
what has changed

1037
00:46:36,550 --> 00:46:33,599
is that the politicians the elected

1038
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:36,560
officials that not only fund these

1039
00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:39,440
programs but are supposed to be in

1040
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,200
control of and knowing every aspect of

1041
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:45,599
what is going on not only with law but

1042
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,119
with the military

1043
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,680
and in adversaries foreign and and

1044
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,680
domestic and everything else

1045
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,240
it is their job to be able to have the

1046
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:56,000
answers so they have the tools to make

1047
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:58,400
decisions on how to move forward and

1048
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:02,240
they are not getting any information

1049
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:04,960
that has also changed they're enjoying

1050
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,359
the same frustration that us in the ufo

1051
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:09,599
community have been yelling about for 70

1052
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:10,640
years

1053
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:13,040
and and so yeah i think that is a

1054
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:16,160
that's a big drastic change but

1055
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:18,079
is it really because let me ask you

1056
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,680
something okay

1057
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,520
i'll bring up one of the things that

1058
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:23,520
caught my attention in the hearing

1059
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:26,319
um i forget who asked it but can i just

1060
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:28,000
tell the audience this is now turned

1061
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:29,760
into a john burroughs jimmy church phone

1062
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,790
we do okay go ahead john

1063
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:36,640
you had a congressman and i forget his

1064
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:39,520
name he asked him point blank

1065
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,520
have we gleaned any

1066
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,079
you know weaponization or

1067
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:46,319
technology that we're we are either

1068
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:48,640
utilizing or trying to utilize or learn

1069
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:49,680
about

1070
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:51,359
from the phenomenon

1071
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:52,640
and

1072
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,160
that was one of the quickest answers

1073
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,160
from i forget which one of them answered

1074
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,839
it simply saying we need to take this

1075
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,000
behind closed doors right right right

1076
00:48:04,230 --> 00:48:03,359
and uh that was cop ray the um

1077
00:48:07,589 --> 00:48:04,240
uh

1078
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,599
i think that now ross colfar was on the

1079
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:09,520
show with us on monday

1080
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,599
and he brought up

1081
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,280
just about the exact same point that

1082
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:15,280
you're bringing up right now

1083
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,760
that one of the questions

1084
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:19,040
uh

1085
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:21,040
he said the first question that he would

1086
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,079
have

1087
00:48:25,589 --> 00:48:24,480
uh a representative ask one of these

1088
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,599
witnesses

1089
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:27,280
is

1090
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:28,880
are there

1091
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:30,079
any

1092
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,359
uh

1093
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,800
crash retrievals parts technology

1094
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,280
out there that have been distributed

1095
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:39,599
to the military and to private

1096
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:43,359
corporations and who did it go to

1097
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,880
right isn't that basically what that

1098
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,960
question was yeah it's what i'm saying

1099
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,280
yeah but but what was their answer

1100
00:48:53,109 --> 00:48:51,200
uh well we'll have to get back to you on

1101
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,119
that we'll go back we'll go into closed

1102
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:54,800
doors right that's right right right

1103
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:55,599
right

1104
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:59,119
probably

1105
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:00,839
the most important question that was

1106
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,680
asked through the whole hearings

1107
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,599
and

1108
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:06,880
you didn't get it

1109
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,200
they didn't say one word all they said

1110
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,359
was we'll take it behind closed doors

1111
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,000
now that was a subcommittee

1112
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,480
so those guys aren't the big boys and

1113
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,040
what i mean by the big boys is

1114
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:21,599
is that the you have to understand how

1115
00:49:26,069 --> 00:49:24,000
congress works as far as

1116
00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:26,079
the committee chairs

1117
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:29,040
of the ruling party are the people that

1118
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:31,680
get the highest level briefings

1119
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:33,520
okay which

1120
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,880
in essence you don't even know what

1121
00:49:38,069 --> 00:49:36,319
they're told

1122
00:49:38,870 --> 00:49:38,079
you don't even know what briefing they

1123
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,880
get

1124
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,480
you don't even know

1125
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,480
you know what they're being asked about

1126
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,559
or what they're being asked for

1127
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:47,359
so one of the first things that came to

1128
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,359
mind with me when they when that

1129
00:49:54,069 --> 00:49:51,280
question was asked which was a good one

1130
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,079
was we'll take it behind closed doors so

1131
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:55,920
but that goes to the other point of what

1132
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:57,520
happened with me

1133
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,480
when i had all my stuff go down mccain

1134
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,880
got directly involved at one point

1135
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:05,280
and got pretty deep into it

1136
00:50:09,030 --> 00:50:06,240
and

1137
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,040
the guys that were behind this that were

1138
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:11,839
working behind the scenes with me

1139
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,079
trying to get him get information to him

1140
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:16,000
and trying to get him to understand what

1141
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:17,359
was going on

1142
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,599
as soon as i got my settlement

1143
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,280
they went straight to him in this

1144
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,040
committee for funding for exotic

1145
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,800
technology

1146
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:26,640
most people probably have forgotten that

1147
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,200
or don't even know it existed those dia

1148
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,680
papers that became that were submitted

1149
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,760
to congress in the committee came from

1150
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,440
the very people that i was working with

1151
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:37,520
behind the scenes about my whole the

1152
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,240
incident in my old case

1153
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:42,960
and all the exotic technology that is

1154
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,880
either on still on the blackboard some

1155
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:49,200
of us probably in r d

1156
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:51,200
maybe some of us operational or about to

1157
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,280
become operational

1158
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,119
did you um

1159
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,280
let's talk about the hearing itself uh

1160
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,280
before because we're going to get uh

1161
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,680
pretty deep on some subjects here in the

1162
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:03,680
next couple of segments

1163
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:04,640
um

1164
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:07,040
were bray and moultrie

1165
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:09,599
uh for you were they the right witnesses

1166
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:12,079
for the first hearing

1167
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:14,240
well a lot of people think so because it

1168
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:16,079
was they call it the warm-up you know

1169
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:17,680
how you're in the bullpen warming up

1170
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,599
before the game starts right you know

1171
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,760
you're a baseball guy so you know

1172
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:23,599
they're the bullpen guy the bullpen

1173
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:24,960
catcher and

1174
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,640
whatever they're down there and they're

1175
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,800
warming up the audience

1176
00:51:31,349 --> 00:51:30,160
but

1177
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,359
so

1178
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:33,839
fair enough number one number two

1179
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:36,640
there really wasn't too many

1180
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:38,559
hard driven questions

1181
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,160
which kind of surprised me because

1182
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,160
this is not coming for me this and this

1183
00:51:49,270 --> 00:51:46,480
is not private conversations but just

1184
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,280
what's in public record mellon and lou

1185
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:50,640
and some others have been kind of

1186
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:52,400
prepping these guys

1187
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:56,480
so why was so many softballs thrown

1188
00:52:01,990 --> 00:51:59,920
now do you think they okay um now i

1189
00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:02,000
don't want you to speak for lou

1190
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,720
but when you say prepping

1191
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,200
do you think that the prepping was for

1192
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:09,680
the representatives to ask the right

1193
00:52:14,470 --> 00:52:12,400
questions or the prepping was for the

1194
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:14,480
uh the witness testimony and their

1195
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:15,680
answers

1196
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:16,640
well

1197
00:52:21,670 --> 00:52:19,599
that really hasn't has it can you prep

1198
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,680
both both teams well yeah but see the

1199
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,000
witnesses haven't come out yet this is

1200
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,720
basically they've been up on the hill

1201
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:28,559
this is interviews that lou's done so

1202
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,559
i'm not divulging anything

1203
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:32,400
you know that's been privately said

1204
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:33,839
and melanin and these guys have been up

1205
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:35,119
there talking with these guys in

1206
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:37,200
congress and between the article from

1207
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:39,119
the new york times

1208
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:41,040
then you had you know they've been up on

1209
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,200
the hill they've been talking the to

1210
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:45,520
these different representatives

1211
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,559
why why didn't they work with them to

1212
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:51,200
ask some really hard-nosed questions did

1213
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:53,680
they try that's never been asked and did

1214
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:55,040
they get

1215
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:59,040
or did they even work on that and if

1216
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,800
they did why weren't some of these

1217
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,200
questions asked nolan put out i think

1218
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,520
the night before or two days before he

1219
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:08,000
put out what questions should be asked

1220
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:08,880
and

1221
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:11,200
realistically there's really nothing

1222
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:13,920
that was asked other than the technology

1223
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:14,720
part

1224
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,520
which i found intriguing

1225
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:19,680
yeah okay so as you were watching there

1226
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:22,720
was some ebb and flow uh there was some

1227
00:53:27,190 --> 00:53:25,280
there was some strategic moves that uh

1228
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:27,200
definitely were being played out in

1229
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:28,880
front of everybody and it was only 90

1230
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:31,680
minutes long but i felt that

1231
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:34,559
bray and moultrie

1232
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,359
uh

1233
00:53:39,190 --> 00:53:36,960
were thinking that they were going to be

1234
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:39,200
able to telephone this in that this was

1235
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:41,040
going to be a quick in and out

1236
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:44,640
and and they didn't take it seriously

1237
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,000
and they tried to put the focus

1238
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:50,400
at the beginning after andre carson's

1239
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:51,760
opening statement

1240
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:54,640
um they tried to put the focus on china

1241
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,720
and russia and drones

1242
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,800
and they tried to drive that the first

1243
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,559
half of the hearing

1244
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,559
and that didn't work and the second half

1245
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:05,040
of the hearing was definitely

1246
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,240
uh moved to e.t extraterrestrial and

1247
00:54:12,790 --> 00:54:10,800
stuff that was not of this earth did you

1248
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,800
did you get the same vibe

1249
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,839
well

1250
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,559
okay when when they came out

1251
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:18,400
my my take on why they didn't show

1252
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,680
anything

1253
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,559
more clear you know the videos and stuff

1254
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:25,280
was because there this was going to be

1255
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,200
taken more seriously by the news media

1256
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:30,000
now because you're having a hearing so

1257
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,920
there's a different type of coverage

1258
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:33,440
taking place

1259
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:35,440
when there's a hearing on something over

1260
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,319
just

1261
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,160
different people and sound bites you

1262
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,960
know and stuff like that so they didn't

1263
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:42,160
show

1264
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:44,079
certain videos and stuff most likely

1265
00:54:48,309 --> 00:54:45,680
because they didn't want to peak the

1266
00:54:49,510 --> 00:54:48,319
news interest in this so they did a good

1267
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,520
job of

1268
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:51,839
tapping down the interest of the news

1269
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,160
media number one because there really

1270
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:55,920
wasn't much offered

1271
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,880
and what little was offered was going to

1272
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,200
be taken behind closed doors

1273
00:55:06,150 --> 00:55:03,520
so and i don't know no one's really

1274
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:06,160
commented how long did that hearing last

1275
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:08,400
yeah i haven't heard yet and i know that

1276
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:09,520
uh

1277
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:18,880
the notes in the minutes of the briefing

1278
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,280
with everything else extracted you know

1279
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,160
what do they call it means and

1280
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,640
and techniques or whatever you know well

1281
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:29,119
no it's just basically redacted so

1282
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:30,400
they'll redact anything that's

1283
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:32,240
classified and that's what that was it

1284
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:34,240
was a classified hearing yeah yeah

1285
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:35,440
there's a good chance that most

1286
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,880
everything that's been stated in the

1287
00:55:40,710 --> 00:55:38,720
hearing will be blacked out probably

1288
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,720
even who may have showed up we don't

1289
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,880
even know if they brought somebody else

1290
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:43,839
in

1291
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,400
than them that testified to these guys

1292
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:51,040
yeah that's right and now

1293
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,240
uh

1294
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,880
i asked you if malta and bray were the

1295
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:57,040
were the right you know witnesses to

1296
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:58,400
bring first

1297
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:00,720
um what would you like to see in in

1298
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:02,720
future hearings who would you like to

1299
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:05,839
see uh come up and testify well you can

1300
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:08,960
parade across military guys um you know

1301
00:56:11,030 --> 00:56:10,240
what they saw

1302
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:11,040
um

1303
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:14,079
obviously you can use some of the video

1304
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:15,920
but most of that's not going to be used

1305
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:18,160
because most of it i mean do you believe

1306
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,400
what little we've seen is all they have

1307
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:22,319
they've got probably hours of it they're

1308
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,799
not going to show our means or our

1309
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:27,119
capabilities whatever whatever's taking

1310
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:28,000
place

1311
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,359
you know so they're not going to make

1312
00:56:32,549 --> 00:56:30,559
that public

1313
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,559
um they're going to

1314
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,240
basically

1315
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,720
tap this down with national security and

1316
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:39,040
that was one of millions points is there

1317
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,880
a balance being done between national

1318
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:42,720
security and what the public deserves to

1319
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:45,599
know right you know and and the point is

1320
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:46,799
is that

1321
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:49,760
we can't get past the fact right now

1322
00:56:53,589 --> 00:56:52,160
that there was no answer or question

1323
00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:53,599
really there was no question first of

1324
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:55,760
all so there was no possibility of an

1325
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,440
answer

1326
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,960
do you have any idea what we're dealing

1327
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,960
with is it from here

1328
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,920
um

1329
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:03,760
because the closest they got to that was

1330
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,599
what are we learning from this now i'd

1331
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,760
like to know why he came up

1332
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,319
with that question who got him to ask

1333
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,319
that question because that question is

1334
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,880
basically premises that they're here

1335
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,559
we know what they are well you know

1336
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,359
we're studying them and are we trying to

1337
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:21,599
learn their capabilities

1338
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:24,480
and that wasn't a no it was we'll talk

1339
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,480
about it behind closed doors and i know

1340
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,480
i keep going back to that but that's an

1341
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:30,720
important issue no it is an important

1342
00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:34,000
issue and and and let me tell you why

1343
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,880
um and we'll pick this up after the

1344
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:37,760
break

1345
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:41,680
but uh representative welch um literally

1346
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,480
said john it's a big universe

1347
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:47,200
now what i want to know is uh there's a

1348
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:48,640
lot of life out there what i want to

1349
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:51,200
know is is e.t are extraterrestrials

1350
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:54,960
visiting this planet right now and and

1351
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:57,359
bray did a little bit of a dance

1352
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:01,119
and uh and then welch came back with

1353
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:02,319
okay

1354
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,200
well

1355
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:05,119
you don't want to answer that now in the

1356
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,280
public side of things but are we going

1357
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,960
to address this

1358
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,400
later on this afternoon in the

1359
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,480
classified briefing

1360
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,880
right and and so yeah it's back to your

1361
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:15,839
point

1362
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,799
that uh these issues about et and

1363
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:20,799
extraterrestrials you know the real meat

1364
00:58:25,030 --> 00:58:23,839
of this matter uh every time it was

1365
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:25,040
brought up

1366
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,520
uh specifically with welch it was going

1367
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,040
to be discussed in the classified

1368
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,359
briefing

1369
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,520
no correct and that's that's where i'm

1370
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:35,280
going with this so

1371
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:38,480
yes kudos to melon

1372
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:39,920
lou

1373
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:42,400
and others that have

1374
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:44,079
got this to

1375
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:45,839
into congress

1376
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,720
has

1377
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:48,240
there's been at least there's been one

1378
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:50,000
hearing we have no idea how many more

1379
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:51,359
there will be

1380
00:58:55,190 --> 00:58:52,240
but

1381
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,200
the first report was that not mostly

1382
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:57,359
very short very sweet and there was no

1383
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,920
meet to the report right the public

1384
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:02,160
report and i believe there was like nine

1385
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,200
pages but there was another nine or ten

1386
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:07,359
that were classified

1387
00:59:13,349 --> 00:59:10,799
so once again the the meat of the report

1388
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,359
was again not released to the public

1389
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,520
now what i want to talk about uh when we

1390
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,760
come back after the break uh when chris

1391
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,160
mellon did his rant i think it was in

1392
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:22,400
the washington post i could be wrong

1393
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,760
um one of the things he said in there

1394
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,440
very directly

1395
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:29,760
is that the united states air force who

1396
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:32,720
probably has the most to offer

1397
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,240
is the most silent and uncooperative

1398
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,440
was was that the same vibe you were you

1399
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:41,440
were in the air force for a very long

1400
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:44,960
time was there any uh

1401
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,880
was there any pressure

1402
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:48,559
uh from

1403
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,680
command

1404
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,319
to make sure that nobody talked about

1405
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:54,160
ufos ever

1406
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,280
well

1407
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,880
i know we're coming up on a break what i

1408
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:58,559
can say is this

1409
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,200
our case was never supposed to be made

1410
01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,520
public and it was

1411
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,839
then the air force is kind of like

1412
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,680
what's happened with these videos the

1413
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:10,240
air force then could no longer deny that

1414
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:11,680
the incident took place you had an

1415
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:14,960
official memo from united states colonel

1416
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:17,359
stating an event took place

1417
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:18,400
but

1418
01:00:23,349 --> 01:00:21,280
i got a phone call because i was now on

1419
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,359
my third base from

1420
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:25,440
bent waters or was it would have been my

1421
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:26,880
third base my second base since

1422
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,440
beltwaters um after i went to public

1423
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,280
affairs and let him know cnn wanted to

1424
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,520
talk to me i got a phone call the next

1425
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:35,440
day and i had to go into battle staff on

1426
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:38,720
a secure line and i spoke with brigadier

1427
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:41,359
general in charge of the public affairs

1428
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,640
at the pentagon

1429
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:44,720
and a particular officer that had been

1430
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,240
in beltwaters at the time and now i was

1431
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:47,920
in public affairs

1432
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,640
and what they told me was this and i'll

1433
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,720
make it short and sweet is number one

1434
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,480
stick with the halt memo which wasn't

1435
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,880
factual and number two

1436
01:01:00,150 --> 01:00:58,640
um we don't want to make it look like a

1437
01:01:01,349 --> 01:01:00,160
cover-up but we don't want you to

1438
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,359
discuss

1439
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,599
most of what took place just stick with

1440
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:05,920
the halt memo and answer any questions

1441
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:08,000
off the halt memo so if you look at the

1442
01:01:12,870 --> 01:01:10,400
memo the dates were on it was all put

1443
01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:12,880
together as one if you did if weren't

1444
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:14,559
there you didn't understand what was

1445
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,640
going on and what took place you would

1446
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,240
have never known the right questions to

1447
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:20,400
ask number one and number two you would

1448
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:22,799
never have known how to follow up with

1449
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,839
foias and requests and documents to

1450
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:28,160
support the incident itself

1451
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:30,000
you know so that's something that

1452
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:31,680
they're very good at yeah yeah

1453
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:34,880
absolutely we'll uh we'll continue this

1454
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:36,400
when we come back after the break our

1455
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:38,799
guest tonight john burroughs this is

1456
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,240
fade to black i'm your jimmy church

1457
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:42,480
we're talking about the ufo hearing took

1458
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:46,160
place on may 17th in washington d.c

1459
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:47,839
all of that and much more when we come

1460
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back after this short break

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this is fade to black

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1540
01:06:04,150 --> 01:06:01,430
welcome back fade to black i am your

1541
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:04,160
host jimmy church

1542
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:07,760
tonight our guest is john burroughs and

1543
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:14,870
sent out okay

1544
01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:18,720
all right hey john check your private

1545
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,230
all right our guest tonight is john

1546
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:28,240
burroughs tonight we're talking about

1547
01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:32,720
the ufo hearing took place on may 17th

1548
01:06:37,990 --> 01:06:36,160
um uh a little more john a little more i

1549
01:06:40,549 --> 01:06:38,000
don't know if it'll go much more down i

1550
01:06:42,789 --> 01:06:40,559
don't have the expensive stuff

1551
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,799
uh is that better okay

1552
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:44,160
uh no

1553
01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:47,200
well that's what it is okay

1554
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:48,079
um

1555
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:48,960
so

1556
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:50,720
uh

1557
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:53,119
another point i want to continue what we

1558
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:54,960
were just talking about before we move

1559
01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:58,079
on another point that chris mellon uh

1560
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:59,280
pointed out

1561
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:00,880
about the air force

1562
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:02,960
he had said

1563
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:08,000
that there was a a private and secure

1564
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:10,400
chat room set up at the pentagon for the

1565
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,160
different branches of the military to

1566
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:14,880
get together and talk about uaps and

1567
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,000
incidents

1568
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:18,079
and that uh

1569
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:20,000
the air force got wind that some of

1570
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:21,760
their personnel were in this chat room

1571
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:25,200
and they told them to stay out of it

1572
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:27,359
and and i thought that that was pretty

1573
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:29,200
interesting which is

1574
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:32,880
uh which is in line with uh the air

1575
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:35,280
force's attitude about this that they're

1576
01:07:40,829 --> 01:07:37,839
not going to volunteer anything

1577
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:40,839
and they're going to keep everything to

1578
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,520
themselves um and it's been that way

1579
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:45,839
since uh the close of a project blue

1580
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:47,920
book were you surprised to see chris

1581
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,240
mellon uh put this in writing

1582
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:52,559
no be because think about this jimmy who

1583
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:54,799
got the the grand

1584
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:56,720
grandmother load or

1585
01:08:01,349 --> 01:07:59,440
who just got awarded probably the future

1586
01:08:03,270 --> 01:08:01,359
the air force

1587
01:08:05,670 --> 01:08:03,280
space command

1588
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:05,680
that that's our future okay

1589
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:08,640
they're this is the fifth branch and

1590
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:10,480
there it's not really tied to the air

1591
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:11,920
force directly

1592
01:08:17,349 --> 01:08:14,400
but it's being run through the air force

1593
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:17,359
their chain of command through norad and

1594
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:18,640
everything else

1595
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:19,520
so

1596
01:08:25,110 --> 01:08:22,480
they have they probably do have

1597
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:25,120
most the most secrets never mind

1598
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:26,799
most of if you go back to the

1599
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:28,960
laboratories you go to area 51 right

1600
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:30,159
patterson

1601
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:33,279
um the laboratory down in new mexico um

1602
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:35,600
los alamos and all that that's all air

1603
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:38,080
force then you have kirkland you have

1604
01:08:42,870 --> 01:08:39,839
all that work on the technology and

1605
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:42,880
technology radars and everything else

1606
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:43,839
so

1607
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:46,000
the gist of

1608
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:48,400
what's taking place

1609
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,319
what's been worked on

1610
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:52,719
our advancements in technology

1611
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:56,239
go through the united states air force

1612
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:58,719
not the navy not the army

1613
01:09:03,430 --> 01:09:00,319
not the coast guard

1614
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,440
so you're that's correct they would have

1615
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:05,440
the most information

1616
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:08,159
and that just shows you that it's locked

1617
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:09,040
down

1618
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:11,040
that they're not going to play

1619
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:12,400
now

1620
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:14,400
the next question is is who's going to

1621
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:16,640
make a play right

1622
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:19,440
which is my next question to you

1623
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:22,159
who's going to make them play and and do

1624
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:23,600
we need

1625
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:30,159
has the power

1626
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:31,279
to

1627
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:32,159
uh

1628
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,799
to communicate with the nsa with the cia

1629
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:36,880
with the fbi with all the branches of

1630
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:39,279
the military and possibly with private

1631
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:40,719
corporations

1632
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:43,839
uh to go and get this information not

1633
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:46,159
only to the uaptf

1634
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:48,400
or whatever version uh it is called

1635
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,279
today

1636
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:51,520
but get this information back to the

1637
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:53,679
senate intelligence committee

1638
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,360
well first of all

1639
01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:57,920
you'd have to believe and this is where

1640
01:10:02,310 --> 01:09:59,840
there's issues though too

1641
01:10:03,990 --> 01:10:02,320
because you have elections different

1642
01:10:05,750 --> 01:10:04,000
parties take control

1643
01:10:06,870 --> 01:10:05,760
so you change chairmans of the

1644
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:06,880
committees

1645
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:08,239
you know and

1646
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,840
they retire they don't get reelected so

1647
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:13,199
first of all

1648
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:15,600
you kind of it's really difficult to

1649
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,239
trust a lot of this stuff to these guys

1650
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,480
because they come and go and each time

1651
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,480
one leaves then you've got to bring

1652
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:24,480
somebody else up to speed

1653
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:25,280
so

1654
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,280
brought up to speed does he get the same

1655
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,679
briefing that the guy did before what is

1656
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:33,840
the person's connections in the runs

1657
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:36,480
these committees like for mccain's sake

1658
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:38,239
he'd been around forever

1659
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,480
he knew everybody in dc

1660
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,640
he went it was military background so it

1661
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:44,159
would have been really hard to pull the

1662
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:46,400
wool over his eyes and unfortunately he

1663
01:10:50,950 --> 01:10:49,360
passed if he hadn't i think there'd be

1664
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:50,960
more going on with the hearings than

1665
01:10:54,870 --> 01:10:53,120
there are now but it would take a guy

1666
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:54,880
like mccain

1667
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:57,840
to stand up and start pushing buttons

1668
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,840
but this is where

1669
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:02,080
the control can come from

1670
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,199
money

1671
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:05,040
okay and this is one of the reasons why

1672
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:06,640
i'm bringing up the technology and it's

1673
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:08,880
going behind closed doors

1674
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:12,320
and you have to question lou and melon

1675
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:14,560
because of their tie to private

1676
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,000
corporations

1677
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:19,040
including justice and skunk works

1678
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:20,719
and the fact that

1679
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,679
danny sheehan said this i didn't lou is

1680
01:11:27,990 --> 01:11:25,520
still a government contractor working

1681
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:28,000
for space command

1682
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:31,520
so if that's true if that's true

1683
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,440
then he's working for the main

1684
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:35,199
organizations holding back the most

1685
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:38,320
information well and and and

1686
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:41,679
certainly uh you know i can't speak for

1687
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:45,040
for lou or or danny sheehan or or the

1688
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:46,640
other players that

1689
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:50,320
uh that statement would have the most uh

1690
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,320
weight applied to it but

1691
01:11:58,709 --> 01:11:54,560
i don't think that uh danny helped the

1692
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,719
situation uh from any front by by making

1693
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:00,800
this kind of information public

1694
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:03,520
you know and and it's it's weird if you

1695
01:12:09,030 --> 01:12:06,719
know i know danny uh you know danny i've

1696
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:09,040
known him for a very long time

1697
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,520
but um as an attorney i think sometimes

1698
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:13,840
you just need to you know button it up

1699
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:16,159
and and not necessarily

1700
01:12:21,350 --> 01:12:17,760
uh i don't i don't think it really helps

1701
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:21,360
the situation and and to that end john

1702
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:23,199
um

1703
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:26,320
i feel that and this is

1704
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:29,280
uh this comes from the statements from

1705
01:12:33,990 --> 01:12:31,600
uh the pentagon the united uh the uap

1706
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:34,000
task force and of course the senate

1707
01:12:38,550 --> 01:12:36,880
um and the way that this is being moved

1708
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:38,560
forward that the focus is on the

1709
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:39,840
military

1710
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:46,320
security of our skies and and our

1711
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:47,280
borders

1712
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:49,360
and our men and women in service of

1713
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,560
course

1714
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:52,880
if that's the case

1715
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,040
has somebody reached out to you from

1716
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,360
washington shouldn't they want to speak

1717
01:13:03,189 --> 01:12:59,760
to you and peniston and halt

1718
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:03,199
well i can't speak for peniston or hall

1719
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:04,560
but

1720
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:07,360
i have had some conversations

1721
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,840
about possibly going up on the hill

1722
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:11,280
you know meeting with some people in

1723
01:13:13,590 --> 01:13:12,320
congress

1724
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,600
um

1725
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:15,600
and possibly

1726
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,640
getting taken to other places but

1727
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:20,000
the reason why

1728
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:22,000
and it's not so much

1729
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:25,520
rendalsham and don't get me wrong

1730
01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:28,560
you know going from 2004 forward makes

1731
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:31,280
somewhat sense because you have

1732
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:32,560
the videos

1733
01:13:38,149 --> 01:13:35,600
right so you have documentation yeah the

1734
01:13:40,630 --> 01:13:38,159
document backing up but backing up the

1735
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:40,640
testimony okay right but when you go

1736
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,280
back farther you just have testimony you

1737
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,600
don't have a lot of

1738
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:47,600
you know information to back up what

1739
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:49,199
people are saying took place or didn't

1740
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:51,520
take place in bellwater's case you do

1741
01:13:54,790 --> 01:13:53,440
have the whole tape which is like you

1742
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:54,800
said a very

1743
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:57,280
very interesting thing to listen to

1744
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:58,159
but

1745
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:01,040
in my case the interest for me

1746
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:03,840
solely has to do with my injuries

1747
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:06,640
and the fact that the government

1748
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:08,480
tried to cover it up

1749
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,719
that i wasn't even in the air force when

1750
01:14:15,990 --> 01:14:12,719
the incident took place

1751
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:16,000
they've classified my medical records

1752
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:19,360
and it took mccain his aide

1753
01:14:23,030 --> 01:14:21,520
mostly his aid because people a lot of

1754
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,040
people think these congressmen and

1755
01:14:26,310 --> 01:14:24,960
senators the one doing the work the

1756
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:26,320
majority of the work is done by the

1757
01:14:31,350 --> 01:14:28,960
staffers right and and they use the

1758
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,360
weight of the senator or congressman to

1759
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:33,840
get the job done but they're the ones

1760
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:36,400
that do the heavy hauling and the work

1761
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:39,440
but in my case it got so ridiculous that

1762
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:40,800
a deal was struck and then they

1763
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:43,120
rescinded it and that's when he really

1764
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:45,520
got involved and basically stated

1765
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:47,199
that if something isn't done quickly

1766
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:49,760
there he may have to open hearings about

1767
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:51,679
the whole incident itself

1768
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,239
but all along which was interesting it

1769
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:56,159
came from kyle's office it came from

1770
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:58,239
mccain's office

1771
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:59,360
was

1772
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,960
there's no doubt something happened to

1773
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,239
me

1774
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,800
there's no doubt an incident took place

1775
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:06,960
but i will never get the answer to what

1776
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:08,159
it is

1777
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:10,159
i'll have to be satisfied and their goal

1778
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:13,440
was to get me the care i deserved

1779
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:16,000
but i'm not going to get any answers of

1780
01:15:21,430 --> 01:15:18,640
what took place at reynolds show or how

1781
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,440
i was injured as far as what injured me

1782
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:23,760
they were just going to give me the care

1783
01:15:25,669 --> 01:15:24,880
i needed

1784
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:25,679
and

1785
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:27,520
my settlement which there's been

1786
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:29,920
different people question it but i've

1787
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,159
done some speaking engagements including

1788
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,320
the mufon one last august where i've

1789
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,320
shown documents to show

1790
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:38,320
that my settlement was based off the

1791
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,840
fact that i was injured in the line of

1792
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:41,760
duty during the incident

1793
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,120
that's where my ins that's where my

1794
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:44,880
injuries came from now

1795
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:46,800
they did not state

1796
01:15:50,390 --> 01:15:48,400
what injured me

1797
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:50,400
they just stated that they agreed that i

1798
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:52,480
was injured and my injuries came from

1799
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:55,280
what happened at rendelson

1800
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:57,520
let me let me ask you really quick um

1801
01:16:02,310 --> 01:15:59,840
have your medical records uh been

1802
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:02,320
declassified do you now have access to

1803
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:03,280
everything

1804
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:05,600
no no and there's an interesting story

1805
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:08,640
about this that i i i don't want to say

1806
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,920
too much but

1807
01:16:14,310 --> 01:16:12,239
way back before

1808
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:14,320
the thing started after 10 when i got

1809
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:15,199
sick

1810
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:16,960
there was a researcher that wanted to

1811
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,880
get some of my records because

1812
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:20,800
what was taking place

1813
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,800
what i was saying took place wasn't what

1814
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,880
halt was saying take his place

1815
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,719
and he wanted to look at some of my

1816
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:28,719
records to back up the set fact that i

1817
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:31,360
said i got sick right after the incident

1818
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:34,000
and so he did a request for my records

1819
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,840
and they denied it because of i didn't

1820
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:38,000
know if hipaa existed then but they i

1821
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:39,679
don't know when hipaa came into play but

1822
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:41,600
they denied it because he should well

1823
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:42,880
they weren't going to give him access to

1824
01:16:48,229 --> 01:16:45,520
my records but they did tell him if i

1825
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:48,239
signed an affidavit

1826
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:49,679
um

1827
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:51,760
i'm saying who i was and it could be

1828
01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:53,199
verified as far as you know with the

1829
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:55,280
affidavit notarizing everything they

1830
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:57,520
would release the records to me

1831
01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:59,120
and then i could choose to do what i

1832
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:00,960
wanted with them well we sent the

1833
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:04,239
paperwork in and it came back tonight

1834
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,040
said i wasn't who i said i was

1835
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:09,120
they exactly it's exactly the wording

1836
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:10,480
they use they said we don't believe

1837
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:11,840
you're john burroughs so therefore we're

1838
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:14,080
not going to give you your records now

1839
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:15,440
right then and there i knew something

1840
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:17,920
was going on but later on when we made

1841
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:20,560
the play for the records i'd seen him

1842
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:21,920
about

1843
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,679
force base

1844
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:27,360
and the reason why i mean by seeing him

1845
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:29,280
was when i went to get my records they

1846
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:31,920
had them divided into two separate

1847
01:17:36,630 --> 01:17:34,320
folders they had the stuff from early on

1848
01:17:38,149 --> 01:17:36,640
and separate but when i was my name was

1849
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,159
up front and when they pulled the thing

1850
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:40,960
open i could see the records from before

1851
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,560
when i first came in

1852
01:17:48,070 --> 01:17:44,640
so the records existed

1853
01:17:49,910 --> 01:17:48,080
um they they told uh mccain staffer

1854
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:49,920
cheryl bennett that

1855
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:52,320
you know that first they came back and

1856
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:55,840
said i wasn't in from 79 to 81. even

1857
01:18:02,310 --> 01:17:58,719
though we had proof i was and it took

1858
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:02,320
somebody up at afrpc to certify records

1859
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:04,719
behind the scenes that i got to

1860
01:18:09,030 --> 01:18:07,199
to prove that i was so then they turned

1861
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:09,040
around and said well we'll give you a

1862
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,239
generic dd form 214 which they did so i

1863
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:14,880
they didn't give my true dd4214 and it's

1864
01:18:19,189 --> 01:18:17,199
not even accurate there's miss

1865
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:19,199
things wrong with it but it did show i

1866
01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:21,679
was in at 79. so then they were willing

1867
01:18:25,830 --> 01:18:23,840
to work a deal out but

1868
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:25,840
in the book that i wrote cheryl talked

1869
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:28,239
about it they actually pulled the deal

1870
01:18:30,790 --> 01:18:29,280
high up

1871
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,800
and she actually went to the department

1872
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:32,640
of justice on it and they said well

1873
01:18:35,669 --> 01:18:34,000
there's nothing we can do about it

1874
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,679
whatever he was involved with and his

1875
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:37,600
records are classified

1876
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:40,320
so therefore we can't talk about it yeah

1877
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,360
that's uh

1878
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:43,440
those pages in the book are are

1879
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:46,560
fascinating to read uh her version

1880
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:48,000
of what she had to go through

1881
01:18:52,950 --> 01:18:49,199
fascinating

1882
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:52,960
um oh okay so would you

1883
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:57,199
if if either congress or or the senate

1884
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,880
um asked you to testify uh would you

1885
01:19:05,270 --> 01:19:02,640
well first of all you'd have to bring

1886
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:05,280
cheryl up there number one because she

1887
01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:07,120
handled all this stuff behind the scenes

1888
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:09,360
oh okay that that that's a great point

1889
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:11,120
because that's actually what the

1890
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:12,560
question is about

1891
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:16,159
right what they wanted to talk about

1892
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:16,960
uh

1893
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:22,320
right what if they wanted to have a line

1894
01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:25,360
of questioning like that

1895
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:28,640
and and not necessarily go directly at

1896
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:32,080
uh the va and what you went through what

1897
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:33,280
if they wanted to know about the

1898
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:37,360
incident itself and and what you and and

1899
01:19:42,390 --> 01:19:39,760
and and penn stated

1900
01:19:44,229 --> 01:19:42,400
and and what happened on the on on on

1901
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,239
the little hill you know what what if

1902
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:46,159
they wanted to know that

1903
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:48,159
would you be willing to talk about that

1904
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:50,560
well yeah but i'm on public there's more

1905
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:52,719
than enough testimony that i've done

1906
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:54,719
over the years and stuff that i've done

1907
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,800
that could easily handle that and i'm

1908
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:58,800
not against these pilots that they're

1909
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,120
going to bring up there maybe but

1910
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:03,280
all we're doing is

1911
01:20:07,990 --> 01:20:06,080
saw

1912
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:08,000
and that's not going to get him anywhere

1913
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:09,040
because

1914
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:10,880
it's at the end of the day

1915
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:13,360
okay there's enough testimony there

1916
01:20:16,629 --> 01:20:14,800
not just the beltwater's incident but

1917
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:16,639
many other things that have happened to

1918
01:20:21,189 --> 01:20:19,040
include 2004 going forward with these

1919
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:21,199
videos that show there's something in

1920
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:23,520
the skies that can't be explained and

1921
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:25,120
that there has been encounters by

1922
01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:26,880
military personnel

1923
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:27,760
with

1924
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:30,960
what they now label uaps instead of ufos

1925
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:32,800
but that's when you really have to start

1926
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:34,480
getting down and dirty

1927
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,719
that's when you have to get people that

1928
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:38,880
have studied this and they won't even

1929
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:41,040
admit that publicly that they've studied

1930
01:20:45,990 --> 01:20:41,760
it

1931
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:46,000
they're trying to glean information the

1932
01:20:49,830 --> 01:20:47,360
closest they've come to that was a

1933
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:49,840
british document called condyne which

1934
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:51,520
they went into the fact that it needs to

1935
01:20:55,830 --> 01:20:53,920
be studied it should be studied then i

1936
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:55,840
went forward and did a foia with them

1937
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,440
which is in the book

1938
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:59,520
and i asked them point blank

1939
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:01,840
just like they did at the congressional

1940
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,880
hearings

1941
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:04,800
are you or have you been working on

1942
01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:08,080
technology glee from uaps and i got

1943
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:09,679
i got the answer

1944
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:11,120
that would have been interesting if they

1945
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:13,040
would have done it on tv was and it's in

1946
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:15,840
the book was yes as far as it's all

1947
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:18,880
classified we can't talk about it it

1948
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:20,719
ties up in the different divisions why

1949
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:22,719
we can't talk about it to include the

1950
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,120
industrial complex part of it where

1951
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:27,600
they're working on it then it also would

1952
01:21:32,629 --> 01:21:30,320
it would benefit our adversaries to know

1953
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:32,639
what we've got what we're working on

1954
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:33,440
so

1955
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:36,320
i did this a long time ago you know in

1956
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:38,080
fact i was the one that got the

1957
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:39,280
government the british government to

1958
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:41,760
admit they were holding back documents

1959
01:21:45,669 --> 01:21:43,840
they'd said they were finished and based

1960
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:45,679
on what i learned and some of the stuff

1961
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:48,639
i got from inside and some documents i

1962
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:50,480
was they admitted they were holding back

1963
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:51,679
documents

1964
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,080
and then they admitted to me that they

1965
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:56,320
were studying the phenomenon and they

1966
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:58,880
actually are working on technology

1967
01:22:05,030 --> 01:21:59,840
that

1968
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:05,040
well okay now

1969
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:06,320
um

1970
01:22:12,390 --> 01:22:09,199
i want to come back to condyne and

1971
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,400
and you and i have referenced together

1972
01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:14,960
um a certain section of condine that

1973
01:22:20,229 --> 01:22:16,960
that i thought was the most

1974
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:20,239
uh i mean eye-opening uh statement on

1975
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:23,440
uaps ever we'll we'll come back to that

1976
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:25,679
but if

1977
01:22:30,629 --> 01:22:28,639
you heard what gallagher said in his

1978
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:30,639
questions when he he brought up

1979
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:31,840
malmstrom

1980
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:34,560
and both bray and moultrie looked at

1981
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,239
each other and and said that they have

1982
01:22:41,669 --> 01:22:38,639
never heard of malmstrom right then he

1983
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:41,679
brought up the wilson davis uh uh memo

1984
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:43,679
and that they had never heard of that

1985
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,199
either

1986
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:47,440
what if gallagher

1987
01:22:50,830 --> 01:22:49,840
or another representative would have

1988
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:50,840
asked about

1989
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:54,159
rendelsham would you expect bray and

1990
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:57,920
moultrie to to know about rendelsham

1991
01:23:02,229 --> 01:23:00,239
probably not because

1992
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:02,239
again what did they emphasize they're

1993
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,040
looking 2004 forward

1994
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:07,679
so that's a real easy out

1995
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:09,520
because if they're if they're not

1996
01:23:15,189 --> 01:23:11,679
looking at all the cases

1997
01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:15,199
and again remember rendelshim is every

1998
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:17,760
case has its own

1999
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:19,679
you know owned

2000
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:22,239
story but the real story is the

2001
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:25,040
technology behind the case

2002
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:27,679
so they may very well have gotten some

2003
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,120
information

2004
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:32,000
about rendelsham but not been classified

2005
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:33,440
rentals from

2006
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,280
the case itself they may just have been

2007
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:37,440
briefed on technology that we're working

2008
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,480
on

2009
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:41,280
yeah and you know and malmstrom see this

2010
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:43,440
and this is my point john

2011
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:47,600
that malmstrom is 1966. okay all right

2012
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:50,159
so maybe you you

2013
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:52,239
you're not aware i don't buy it you know

2014
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:55,520
it's nuclear missiles and and things but

2015
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,400
okay

2016
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:59,040
uh the wilson davis memo

2017
01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:00,880
all right you may have to be listening

2018
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,639
to fade to black every night to

2019
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,560
understand what that deserves members of

2020
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:06,480
this community that still don't know

2021
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:09,040
what the wilson davis document is okay

2022
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:10,800
so that's fine too

2023
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:14,159
but randall shim is part of not only the

2024
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:17,280
military but part of popular culture

2025
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:21,040
and everybody is aware of rendelsham so

2026
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:23,600
i i would be surprised if they said no

2027
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:26,639
i've never heard about rendlesham

2028
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:27,760
well

2029
01:24:32,709 --> 01:24:30,159
that's a that's that's lying by omission

2030
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,719
jimmy right right you could actually

2031
01:24:37,669 --> 01:24:34,960
have heard reynoldshum but you've never

2032
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:37,679
read any documents on rendalsham you see

2033
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:39,520
that's that's the way you can get around

2034
01:24:44,870 --> 01:24:42,159
stuff and they're and they weren't there

2035
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:44,880
to talk about reynoldshum or maostrom

2036
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:46,639
they were there to talk about what's

2037
01:24:51,830 --> 01:24:49,120
flying around in the skies

2038
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:51,840
and not only were that was what the

2039
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:53,280
objective was

2040
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:54,000
but

2041
01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:57,280
they they even just did a real piss-poor

2042
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:59,679
uh presentation of what was flying

2043
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:01,199
around in the sky

2044
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:04,080
yes and okay so back let's stay on this

2045
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:04,960
though

2046
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,000
okay

2047
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:07,920
one of the things that representative

2048
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:10,480
schiff who's the chairman right that

2049
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,760
he's the chair

2050
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:13,199
schiff said

2051
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:15,520
are you guys only interested in

2052
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:18,960
investigating low-hanging fruit the easy

2053
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:21,280
stuff the easy stuff to investigate what

2054
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:23,360
about the stuff that is more difficult

2055
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:24,840
to investigate

2056
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:27,679
like randall shim or maybe even

2057
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:29,600
malmstrom you know why aren't you

2058
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:31,360
looking into these other cases you're

2059
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:32,880
just looking at the stuff that you can

2060
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:35,520
easily go in and try to identify and

2061
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:37,760
close the books on what about the other

2062
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,040
stuff and that's why you and and halt

2063
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,440
and peniston need to go to capitol hill

2064
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:46,080
well i don't disagree but jimmy do you

2065
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:48,000
do you really think and i'm going to

2066
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:51,440
bring up an example of what what i mean

2067
01:25:53,669 --> 01:25:52,239
um

2068
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:53,679
do you really think they don't already

2069
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:55,440
know what we're dealing with

2070
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:57,679
they have a pretty good idea oh

2071
01:26:02,310 --> 01:25:59,840
and one of the interesting things is

2072
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:02,320
and again i'm going to go back to lou

2073
01:26:06,709 --> 01:26:04,159
because he said it

2074
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:06,719
he said publicly in an interview that

2075
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,560
we're tracking uaps with satellite

2076
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,639
technology that's right

2077
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:12,400
okay so i'm not

2078
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:14,320
crossing any boundaries

2079
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:16,719
i'm just stating what's been made public

2080
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:20,000
and cliff radcliffe said it too in in an

2081
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,400
interview former cia director

2082
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:24,719
how do we know how can we track them if

2083
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:27,280
we don't know how to track them if we

2084
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:29,280
don't understand what they are

2085
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:31,520
if we don't understand the frequencies

2086
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:34,800
satellites just don't hover in one area

2087
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:36,480
unless there's a reason behind it

2088
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:39,360
they're constantly moving right now

2089
01:26:44,310 --> 01:26:42,719
now there's a difference between spotted

2090
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:44,320
uaps on

2091
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:47,520
on satellites and tracking them

2092
01:26:52,149 --> 01:26:49,040
and seeing them

2093
01:26:54,709 --> 01:26:52,159
uh approach this planet

2094
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:54,719
now uh now let's talk about frequencies

2095
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:56,239
because we're going to get into this a

2096
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:57,679
little bit deeper

2097
01:27:01,990 --> 01:26:59,760
when we come back after the break back

2098
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:02,000
to the condyne report

2099
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,080
the one paragraph in there and i

2100
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:06,960
remember when the report was released

2101
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:09,520
and and i read the entire thing and i

2102
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,520
highlighted a club i immediately got on

2103
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:13,840
the phone and called you

2104
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:15,920
and and i know that

2105
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:17,360
you remember this conversation we've

2106
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:19,600
talked about it before but i said john

2107
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:21,600
page number blah blah blah blah blah it

2108
01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:24,080
says right here

2109
01:27:30,149 --> 01:27:27,199
that the frequencies involved

2110
01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:30,159
causing injuries are known

2111
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:30,840
to

2112
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:34,000
uap reports uh

2113
01:27:36,870 --> 01:27:35,199
in the past

2114
01:27:39,510 --> 01:27:36,880
and it was you know i'm paraphrasing

2115
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:39,520
there but they clearly said that they

2116
01:27:42,709 --> 01:27:40,400
know

2117
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:42,719
about these frequencies and that these

2118
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:44,880
injuries have been reported and this is

2119
01:27:50,229 --> 01:27:48,320
something that is known about uaps

2120
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,239
condine's words

2121
01:27:54,310 --> 01:27:52,400
not mine well i can kind of add

2122
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,320
something that's interesting to that i'm

2123
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:56,639
before general williams died now you had

2124
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,400
said that everybody was still alive

2125
01:28:01,350 --> 01:28:00,080
actually general williams is gone

2126
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,360
unfortunately

2127
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:03,600
and he would have been very important to

2128
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:05,840
this case to go up to congress and talk

2129
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:07,520
about it he was very close friends with

2130
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:09,280
mccain and got him some information that

2131
01:28:15,990 --> 01:28:12,400
helped my case moving forward but

2132
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:16,000
when when i sat down with him and i

2133
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:18,400
handed him the condyme pages

2134
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:20,880
that was one of the pages i i sent get

2135
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:23,120
handed to him and his comment was he

2136
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:24,480
never thought this stuff would see the

2137
01:28:29,590 --> 01:28:27,199
lie today right and then the second part

2138
01:28:31,510 --> 01:28:29,600
was he goes do you have any questions

2139
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:31,520
and i said yeah let's go to these

2140
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:32,800
frequencies

2141
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:34,960
and he popped his head up and he looked

2142
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:36,480
me straight in the eye and he said i'm a

2143
01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:38,480
fly-by-wire pilot

2144
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,800
you go i go sir the last time i talked

2145
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:42,639
to you you've got an engineering degree

2146
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:44,800
you know darn well what this is saying

2147
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:47,520
he goes nevertheless we're done talking

2148
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:49,840
you've you've run out of questions

2149
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:51,920
and that was on the first question

2150
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:56,080
so he he was well aware based on what

2151
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:57,679
happened happened after anderson he

2152
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:00,080
worked at norton he was in procurement

2153
01:29:05,350 --> 01:29:02,800
technology and stuff he he knew the

2154
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:05,360
importance of those frequencies and one

2155
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:06,719
other thing to have before we go to

2156
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,719
break and i'm sure we'll talk about kick

2157
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:10,239
green and how put off a little bit

2158
01:29:14,629 --> 01:29:12,080
because they played a part in this sure

2159
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:14,639
that terahertz radiation plays a part in

2160
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:15,600
this

2161
01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:17,440
and no one knew what terra harris

2162
01:29:21,990 --> 01:29:19,040
radiation was

2163
01:29:24,149 --> 01:29:22,000
until my case went more public and linda

2164
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:24,159
molten howe introduced it on coast to

2165
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:25,120
coast

2166
01:29:28,629 --> 01:29:26,960
and also some other stuff that she

2167
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:28,639
talked about that night that i just had

2168
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:30,560
my surgery the night after

2169
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:32,560
that they wanted linda to know about and

2170
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:35,120
make public so this has been a long

2171
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:36,880
process by these guys some of them

2172
01:29:40,149 --> 01:29:38,480
behind the scenes more

2173
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,159
they're trying to get it something the

2174
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:42,239
question is are they really trying to

2175
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:44,639
benefit mankind are they just trying to

2176
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:47,440
benefit technology which could benefit

2177
01:29:51,669 --> 01:29:49,679
mankind i'm not saying it won't but are

2178
01:29:53,910 --> 01:29:51,679
they really sincere about wanting the

2179
01:29:55,669 --> 01:29:53,920
public to really know what's going on

2180
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:55,679
based on their background and national

2181
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:57,920
security and their clearances or is this

2182
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:59,600
just the power play

2183
01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:01,679
to get contracts to

2184
01:30:05,590 --> 01:30:04,000
to develop this technology and you'd

2185
01:30:07,590 --> 01:30:05,600
have to get congress

2186
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:07,600
on board to

2187
01:30:11,270 --> 01:30:08,880
you know to

2188
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:11,280
a lot this this funding

2189
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:12,880
let's take a break right here our guest

2190
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:14,560
tonight the one and only john burroughs

2191
01:30:22,790 --> 01:30:19,590
you know when it comes to randall shim

2192
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:22,800
it's as important as it gets john's view

2193
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:25,199
and insight and interest into the ufo

2194
01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:27,360
hearing is paramount let's listen to his

2195
01:30:30,700 --> 01:30:29,040
words more with john when we come back

2196
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:30,710
stay with us

2197
01:30:48,149 --> 01:30:44,960
[Music]

2198
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:48,159
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2199
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:50,330
you're listening to fade to black

2200
01:30:55,110 --> 01:30:52,960
[Applause]

2201
01:30:56,629 --> 01:30:55,120
you're listening to jimmy church and

2202
01:31:01,860 --> 01:30:56,639
fade to black

2203
01:31:01,870 --> 01:31:11,320
[Applause]

2204
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[Music]

2205
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:16,950
this is jimmy church of fade to black

2206
01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:21,440
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2207
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:24,159
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2208
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01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:30,320
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2221
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2222
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2223
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2229
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2230
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:27,760
not of course you do this is jimmy

2231
01:32:31,270 --> 01:32:30,000
church of fade to black just go to our

2232
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2271
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2272
01:34:18,070 --> 01:34:16,070
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2273
01:34:20,950 --> 01:34:18,080
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2274
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:23,430
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2275
01:34:29,189 --> 01:34:26,320
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2276
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2277
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2279
01:35:07,370 --> 01:35:10,800
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2280
01:35:17,350 --> 01:35:15,830
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2281
01:35:19,189 --> 01:35:17,360
welcome back fade to black i'm here with

2282
01:35:21,109 --> 01:35:19,199
jimmy church tonight john burroughs is

2283
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:21,119
with us always a great conversation with

2284
01:35:25,590 --> 01:35:22,480
john is here

2285
01:35:27,189 --> 01:35:25,600
we're talking about the ufo hearing and

2286
01:35:29,590 --> 01:35:27,199
i'm going to get straight back to it

2287
01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:29,600
right before the break

2288
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:32,000
uh john we were talking about

2289
01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:33,840
frequencies and and terahertz

2290
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:36,560
specifically at the end of the hearing

2291
01:35:39,350 --> 01:35:38,159
uh i could have this wrong i don't have

2292
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:39,360
my notes in front of me i think it was

2293
01:35:43,189 --> 01:35:40,560
adam schiff

2294
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:43,199
um brought up frequencies and

2295
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:44,719
communications

2296
01:35:49,990 --> 01:35:46,960
and if uh

2297
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:50,000
there was an effort to communicate with

2298
01:35:54,629 --> 01:35:51,679
these objects

2299
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:54,639
and if we knew what those frequencies

2300
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:56,800
were for for either control or for

2301
01:36:02,709 --> 01:35:59,600
communication i found that a very

2302
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:02,719
interesting and perfect question to ask

2303
01:36:06,310 --> 01:36:03,600
um

2304
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:06,320
do you think we have a lock on uh with

2305
01:36:09,990 --> 01:36:08,320
what these frequencies are

2306
01:36:11,590 --> 01:36:10,000
and you know there's all this

2307
01:36:13,109 --> 01:36:11,600
conversation about terahertz and

2308
01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:13,119
electromagnetic

2309
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:15,679
uh frequencies involved with these uh

2310
01:36:19,910 --> 01:36:17,840
different uaps and ufos

2311
01:36:23,109 --> 01:36:19,920
um do you think that the air force is

2312
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:23,119
aware or what these frequencies are

2313
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:25,520
if you look at condyne they identify

2314
01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:28,000
some of it i mean some of that report

2315
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:30,320
still classified as far as i've been as

2316
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:31,920
far as i was told

2317
01:36:34,390 --> 01:36:32,719
but

2318
01:36:35,830 --> 01:36:34,400
you just have to look at

2319
01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:35,840
and you know there's so much we could

2320
01:36:39,109 --> 01:36:37,440
talk about on this but

2321
01:36:41,669 --> 01:36:39,119
you have to go back to looking at what

2322
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:41,679
gary nolan and kit green were looking at

2323
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:43,440
the mind itself

2324
01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:45,760
you know and the effects uaps have on

2325
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:46,960
the mind

2326
01:36:53,030 --> 01:36:50,239
well why would you want to you know know

2327
01:36:54,870 --> 01:36:53,040
the effects on the mind unless you were

2328
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:54,880
trying to figure out

2329
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,000
was there

2330
01:37:01,189 --> 01:36:58,320
communication you know what i mean

2331
01:37:03,109 --> 01:37:01,199
you have to you'd have to ask well

2332
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:03,119
one of the questions was or what they

2333
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:05,600
were looking at was

2334
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:07,920
what was the mind that way prior to the

2335
01:37:11,189 --> 01:37:10,080
interaction or did it happen after the

2336
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:11,199
interaction

2337
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:13,360
but they were looking at you know the

2338
01:37:16,390 --> 01:37:15,040
effects on the mind they were looking at

2339
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:16,400
the effects on

2340
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:19,040
dna you know as far as how it affected a

2341
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:21,840
person when they got close to it um

2342
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:24,400
they they openly said they were studying

2343
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:26,960
over 100 people well that means there's

2344
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:29,760
been at least 100 interactions

2345
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:32,400
you know confirmed interactions with

2346
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:35,360
uaps as they call them now um

2347
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:36,239
so

2348
01:37:41,030 --> 01:37:38,239
yeah i mean the funding is being

2349
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:41,040
allotted i mean it's this being looked

2350
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:44,159
at darpa's working on telepathy where

2351
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:45,760
you can communicate with each other

2352
01:37:49,910 --> 01:37:47,760
without you know using a radio or

2353
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:49,920
anything um they're working on being

2354
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:52,080
able to transport yourself from one

2355
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,320
place to another like star trek

2356
01:37:57,990 --> 01:37:56,000
there's so much that's out there that

2357
01:38:00,390 --> 01:37:58,000
they're working on they just haven't

2358
01:38:02,709 --> 01:38:00,400
clarified how far they've gotten with it

2359
01:38:04,229 --> 01:38:02,719
but yeah of course the frequencies make

2360
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:04,239
a huge difference

2361
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:05,119
you know

2362
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:08,880
um uh the the other part to this

2363
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:09,760
um

2364
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:11,280
which is

2365
01:38:17,189 --> 01:38:14,639
it seems that now i don't

2366
01:38:19,030 --> 01:38:17,199
have all of all of the facts and and i

2367
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:19,040
don't think any of us

2368
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:19,920
do

2369
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:22,719
at least in the ufo community

2370
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:26,400
that the tic tacs involved uh these uaps

2371
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:28,480
with the nimitz incident

2372
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,520
certainly had access to

2373
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:33,600
uh the cap point

2374
01:38:41,189 --> 01:38:34,400
and

2375
01:38:42,470 --> 01:38:41,199
point was identified for them in in

2376
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:42,480
their mission

2377
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:45,040
and and they were there waiting for them

2378
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:46,320
now

2379
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:49,920
that would indicate either uh some type

2380
01:38:53,109 --> 01:38:52,400
of uh communication

2381
01:38:56,870 --> 01:38:53,119
uh

2382
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:56,880
fravor's systems

2383
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:58,880
right and the systems back at the nimitz

2384
01:39:03,030 --> 01:39:00,000
that these

2385
01:39:06,149 --> 01:39:03,040
tic tacs suddenly had access to

2386
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:06,159
um or there was something else going on

2387
01:39:11,350 --> 01:39:08,480
uh with the mind like going back to what

2388
01:39:12,870 --> 01:39:11,360
williams told you i'm a fly-by-wire guy

2389
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:12,880
right right but but can i bring

2390
01:39:17,990 --> 01:39:15,199
something up jimmy that doesn't set well

2391
01:39:19,830 --> 01:39:18,000
with the ufo community well it's

2392
01:39:21,669 --> 01:39:19,840
technology-based okay

2393
01:39:29,430 --> 01:39:21,679
when

2394
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:29,440
for me on night one and night three what

2395
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:31,760
i witnessed i couldn't explain

2396
01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:34,400
i didn't understand it i i couldn't

2397
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:37,600
relate to it there was nothing that i

2398
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:39,760
had seen or was aware of could explain

2399
01:39:45,030 --> 01:39:42,800
what i just saw what took place right

2400
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,040
well when you go back and look at

2401
01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:47,679
declassified documents and you find out

2402
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:49,840
and it's in the book i do reference it

2403
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:52,239
sometimes but we we backtracked this and

2404
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,320
we went back they were working on

2405
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:56,960
technology in 1980 right outside the

2406
01:40:01,430 --> 01:40:00,000
back gate and the lights that halt saw

2407
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:01,440
in the sky

2408
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:03,600
were very well could have been the blues

2409
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:06,560
the blue lights were probably plasmas

2410
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:08,880
now the question is did we create the

2411
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:12,320
plasmas or was that a uap

2412
01:40:16,709 --> 01:40:14,159
which is what condyle referred to us

2413
01:40:17,510 --> 01:40:16,719
being exposed to uap radiation

2414
01:40:19,109 --> 01:40:17,520
but

2415
01:40:21,910 --> 01:40:19,119
the also the thing was is they were

2416
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:21,920
working on lasers way back in 1980 that

2417
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:24,400
could control these plasmas and could

2418
01:40:29,270 --> 01:40:26,639
interact with these plasmas okay

2419
01:40:32,390 --> 01:40:29,280
so you jump forward remember now one of

2420
01:40:34,709 --> 01:40:32,400
the videos which no one's ever touched

2421
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:34,719
because it would hurt the case a little

2422
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:37,360
bit was the pilot said dude

2423
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:39,760
that's a that's a drone that's a whole

2424
01:40:42,149 --> 01:40:41,280
fleet of them

2425
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:42,159
okay

2426
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:45,040
and then that was it no there's never

2427
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:47,280
been a follow-up with those pilots where

2428
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:48,960
i've known that they've been interviewed

2429
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:50,960
or tried to explain why they felt they

2430
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:54,080
were drones now fast forward to

2431
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:54,960
what

2432
01:41:00,310 --> 01:40:57,199
where they got to that point

2433
01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:00,320
if we were working in that area and you

2434
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:02,080
have to understand that area off of san

2435
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:05,040
diego the technology we have there that

2436
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:07,920
we work we have the ability to do

2437
01:41:11,910 --> 01:41:10,000
that could have easily been something

2438
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:11,920
that was being controlled

2439
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:14,080
from land or from other ships that they

2440
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:16,000
weren't even aware about it would be

2441
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:16,840
like

2442
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:19,840
countermeasures okay and

2443
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:22,400
what they finally admitted after this

2444
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:24,400
all came out they finally admitted that

2445
01:41:29,109 --> 01:41:26,800
the radar could be manipulated

2446
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,119
okay so there are countermeasures in

2447
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:31,520
technology that can jam and manipulate

2448
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:33,199
the radars on what you're seeing and how

2449
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:34,400
it's going

2450
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:36,560
um and if you've got these

2451
01:41:40,390 --> 01:41:39,440
countermeasures that you use to throw

2452
01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:40,400
off

2453
01:41:44,950 --> 01:41:43,119
sensors and radars and everything else

2454
01:41:47,669 --> 01:41:44,960
you can also use that to see what the

2455
01:41:50,070 --> 01:41:47,679
pilot thinks he saw and what went on

2456
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:50,080
so to simply say without a doubt what

2457
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:51,920
we're seeing

2458
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:54,239
isn't capable of being our technology is

2459
01:41:57,990 --> 01:41:56,159
disingenuous

2460
01:42:00,070 --> 01:41:58,000
because we don't really know exactly

2461
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:00,080
where we stand and we don't want the

2462
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:03,040
enemy to know until we want to use it

2463
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:04,400
and so

2464
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:07,040
a lot of this stuff that's taking place

2465
01:42:11,350 --> 01:42:09,280
you just have to look at the areas at

2466
01:42:13,350 --> 01:42:11,360
bell waters it was outside a known

2467
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,360
technology based area where they were

2468
01:42:17,270 --> 01:42:15,360
working on technology we've documented

2469
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:17,280
that in the book they were working on

2470
01:42:21,430 --> 01:42:19,199
marconi was okay

2471
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:21,440
then you also have the fact that what

2472
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,239
takes place off of san diego down there

2473
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:26,000
lou even hinted at it in one of the

2474
01:42:29,669 --> 01:42:27,840
identified what was interesting he

2475
01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:29,679
started talking about the technology

2476
01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:31,280
that we had there then they went to

2477
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:32,800
break and he never they never put

2478
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:35,040
anything more in it then if you go down

2479
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:36,960
to the florida area they were operating

2480
01:42:41,830 --> 01:42:38,639
off of that's where all the style

2481
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:41,840
technologies worked on and

2482
01:42:45,910 --> 01:42:43,920
yeah and these are all interesting

2483
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:45,920
points and

2484
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,239
things get complicated though

2485
01:42:51,590 --> 01:42:50,480
um if uh

2486
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:51,600
uh

2487
01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:54,000
you have fravor sensors

2488
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:56,480
but then you have his

2489
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:57,920
his eyes

2490
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:00,320
and and then you have the little uh

2491
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:02,480
that little dog fight that he went in

2492
01:43:06,629 --> 01:43:04,480
you know and and this thing circling

2493
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:06,639
around with him before it

2494
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:08,320
you know darted off

2495
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:11,280
and so if that's plasma technology or

2496
01:43:15,189 --> 01:43:12,880
that is some kind of well do you

2497
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:15,199
remember what condyne said yeah yeah

2498
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:16,960
well when you're getting when you

2499
01:43:21,669 --> 01:43:19,199
interact with these frequencies and the

2500
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:21,679
phenomenon it affects what you perceive

2501
01:43:24,629 --> 01:43:23,760
you see and what you're doing dealing

2502
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:24,639
with

2503
01:43:28,629 --> 01:43:26,719
it's right there in the report when

2504
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:28,639
people get close to this

2505
01:43:33,830 --> 01:43:31,520
it messes with your mind well okay

2506
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:33,840
i'm only bringing this up because this

2507
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,880
was brought up in the ufo hearing

2508
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:38,719
blue on blue

2509
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,239
and is it possible that this is our own

2510
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:43,760
technology

2511
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:47,520
uh that uh is part of

2512
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:48,960
the united states military and

2513
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:51,600
contractors and that these are blue on

2514
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:53,840
blue incidents and both moultrie and

2515
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:55,760
bray said no

2516
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:58,960
yeah but okay they were low level number

2517
01:44:01,350 --> 01:43:59,760
one

2518
01:44:03,590 --> 01:44:01,360
number two

2519
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:03,600
they may not have been lying because

2520
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:05,360
they don't know remember they didn't

2521
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:06,400
know about

2522
01:44:13,109 --> 01:44:10,320
some of this other stuff

2523
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:13,119
and if this is an sap program

2524
01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:15,440
that's highly car carpenter no i guess i

2525
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:17,520
can't even say the word tonight but

2526
01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:20,080
and they're working on this stuff they

2527
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:21,920
may not even know

2528
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:23,920
there may only be a few people that was

2529
01:44:27,350 --> 01:44:25,520
what was interesting today about the

2530
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,360
interview with the the congressman and

2531
01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:29,760
lou he said that

2532
01:44:33,109 --> 01:44:30,880
you know

2533
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:33,119
he believes that whatever we're dealing

2534
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:35,360
with could be some of us

2535
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,000
you know using the technology that we

2536
01:44:42,629 --> 01:44:40,800
however we've got it from the uap itself

2537
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:42,639
you know and he doesn't even know who

2538
01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:43,840
they are

2539
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:44,560
so

2540
01:44:47,669 --> 01:44:46,719
when you break this down

2541
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:47,679
there

2542
01:44:51,510 --> 01:44:49,600
they're these guys were low level

2543
01:44:52,709 --> 01:44:51,520
they're not at the high end of the the

2544
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:52,719
food chain

2545
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:55,119
and they they were probably answering it

2546
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:57,600
truthfully no but who's to say what

2547
01:45:01,830 --> 01:44:59,760
we're really working on and

2548
01:45:05,270 --> 01:45:01,840
do they have the need to know about that

2549
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:05,280
sap program right and and and i would

2550
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:07,520
say that you're at the highest level of

2551
01:45:12,629 --> 01:45:10,320
the food chain here because of what you

2552
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:12,639
encountered in reynoldson forest on two

2553
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:14,159
separate nights

2554
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:16,880
and we can talk about

2555
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:19,119
the possibility of a black program being

2556
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:22,639
tested um out uh over the ocean okay

2557
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:25,119
anything is possible uh but that

2558
01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:28,960
wouldn't explain uh to me just like with

2559
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:31,920
uh with fravor and his

2560
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:32,880
his

2561
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:37,199
is you and peniston

2562
01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:39,520
and what you guys saw

2563
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:42,480
yourselves sitting in the forest

2564
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:45,280
that wasn't a plasma generated craft

2565
01:45:50,070 --> 01:45:47,760
that was a that was a physical object

2566
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:50,080
sitting in front of you again that's the

2567
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:52,719
way we it was perceived by peniston but

2568
01:45:56,709 --> 01:45:55,280
remember you can't discount what that

2569
01:45:59,430 --> 01:45:56,719
report said

2570
01:46:02,229 --> 01:45:59,440
it's said that these frequencies can

2571
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:02,239
manipulate how you remember it

2572
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:04,080
what happened to you

2573
01:46:07,910 --> 01:46:06,000
and what you saw

2574
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:07,920
and that wouldn't that be the ultimate

2575
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,040
weapon

2576
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:11,520
if like i i was in an interview one time

2577
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:13,440
that kevin day was on there and he was

2578
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:16,000
talking about how you know we don't test

2579
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:18,960
weapons on each other well just ask the

2580
01:46:22,470 --> 01:46:21,040
guys that stood out there when the nukes

2581
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:22,480
were blowing up over their heads out

2582
01:46:28,070 --> 01:46:25,040
there in the nevada desert you know back

2583
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:28,080
in the 40s okay so that's disingenuous

2584
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:31,119
in itself yes they do number two that

2585
01:46:35,109 --> 01:46:33,520
both incidents were on

2586
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:35,119
they were training

2587
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:36,800
without weapons

2588
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,880
but they were they were going through

2589
01:46:43,189 --> 01:46:40,719
the training to get ready to be spun up

2590
01:46:46,390 --> 01:46:43,199
so it was close to real world minus the

2591
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:46,400
weapons now what he said was interesting

2592
01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:48,000
himself he said

2593
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:50,239
that most likely the pilots now this is

2594
01:46:55,030 --> 01:46:52,800
him saying it not the pilots that what

2595
01:46:57,990 --> 01:46:55,040
they had an interaction with could have

2596
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:58,000
led to one of them firing on that object

2597
01:47:02,310 --> 01:47:00,480
and he said if that was the case of what

2598
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:02,320
i'm describing the missile would

2599
01:47:05,669 --> 01:47:03,760
probably turn around and come back and

2600
01:47:08,229 --> 01:47:05,679
blow up

2601
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:08,239
you know our our aircraft wasn't that a

2602
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:10,400
great countermeasure

2603
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:12,159
just in itself that you would be able to

2604
01:47:17,030 --> 01:47:15,360
have the missile not lock onto something

2605
01:47:19,030 --> 01:47:17,040
but they would fire at it and then the

2606
01:47:21,109 --> 01:47:19,040
missile would come back to mama you know

2607
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:21,119
what i mean and blow up the aircraft

2608
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:22,800
okay so

2609
01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:24,480
do we

2610
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:26,719
there there's two ways to approach this

2611
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:29,280
if we look at it like this

2612
01:47:34,390 --> 01:47:31,280
um and both of them would be a huge

2613
01:47:35,750 --> 01:47:34,400
cover-up two things one things not of

2614
01:47:37,910 --> 01:47:35,760
this earth or things that we don't

2615
01:47:39,990 --> 01:47:37,920
understand another advanced civilization

2616
01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:40,000
that is living here among us whatever it

2617
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:43,280
is but it's not us it's not russia and

2618
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:45,119
and something is here

2619
01:47:49,350 --> 01:47:46,800
flying around in our skies and checking

2620
01:47:50,629 --> 01:47:49,360
us out either that

2621
01:47:51,910 --> 01:47:50,639
right or

2622
01:47:55,750 --> 01:47:51,920
b

2623
01:47:59,669 --> 01:47:55,760
that this is technology that is our own

2624
01:48:02,070 --> 01:47:59,679
and in this very complex situation that

2625
01:48:04,790 --> 01:48:02,080
would have to take place which is

2626
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:04,800
testing from a government contractor

2627
01:48:11,350 --> 01:48:07,040
lockheed raytheon whoever it is

2628
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:11,360
um uh unannounced uh to a carrier battle

2629
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:12,239
group

2630
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:16,560
um unknown to the servicemen and women

2631
01:48:19,990 --> 01:48:18,400
of that battle group that could be put

2632
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:20,000
in harm's way

2633
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:21,360
i mean

2634
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:24,400
think of how how crazily this could have

2635
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:26,400
gotten out of control

2636
01:48:32,950 --> 01:48:29,600
and and accidents do happen and that

2637
01:48:35,990 --> 01:48:32,960
would be a cover-up that would be huge

2638
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:36,000
and and nobody has leaked it yet

2639
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:37,840
is it possible to keep

2640
01:48:42,709 --> 01:48:40,159
that kind of testing with the battle

2641
01:48:45,750 --> 01:48:42,719
group and ongoing chad underwood

2642
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:45,760
um the roosevelt uh where these

2643
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:47,600
incidents are ongoing

2644
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:50,159
um how can you keep that

2645
01:48:55,590 --> 01:48:52,320
as a cover-up and that would be a bigger

2646
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:55,600
story maybe than e.t is here but is it a

2647
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,520
cover-up jimmy i mean

2648
01:49:02,390 --> 01:48:59,840
again what is national security that's

2649
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:02,400
the biggest hold up on all of this but

2650
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:04,239
the point being is this

2651
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:07,760
i firmly believe based on condy

2652
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:10,239
the reaction i got from the mod

2653
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:12,000
the reaction and the hearing to the

2654
01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:13,199
question

2655
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:16,000
that there is some kind of intelligence

2656
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:17,199
out there

2657
01:49:21,430 --> 01:49:19,280
um and they've now decided to call it a

2658
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:21,440
uap which may be

2659
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:25,119
valid because of what a uap is if you go

2660
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:28,400
into condyne and they do describe what

2661
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:30,960
very possibly at uap could be having to

2662
01:49:33,910 --> 01:49:32,800
do with frequencies in the interactions

2663
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:33,920
with it

2664
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:34,960
so

2665
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:35,920
then

2666
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:38,960
what the foia i got which is in the book

2667
01:49:43,430 --> 01:49:40,639
the question the way it was answered in

2668
01:49:47,109 --> 01:49:43,440
the hearing is we are working on

2669
01:49:47,910 --> 01:49:47,119
technology based off of a uap

2670
01:49:51,189 --> 01:49:47,920
but

2671
01:49:53,350 --> 01:49:51,199
the question has not been answered is

2672
01:49:54,830 --> 01:49:53,360
what is a uap

2673
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:54,840
where is it coming

2674
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:57,520
from and of course they're going to hide

2675
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:00,480
whatever we've developed off of it and

2676
01:50:03,030 --> 01:50:02,320
they're not going to admit where the uap

2677
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:03,040
is

2678
01:50:06,390 --> 01:50:04,080
because

2679
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:06,400
if they started getting into that then

2680
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:08,239
they're going the other side whatever

2681
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:10,880
they do or don't know that would open up

2682
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,360
a bigger window for them that's exactly

2683
01:50:18,310 --> 01:50:15,679
what the response from the mod was to my

2684
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,320
fire question was simply we're not going

2685
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:20,000
to tell you anything

2686
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:22,560
because we do have information available

2687
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:24,480
on this we are working on it but we

2688
01:50:28,070 --> 01:50:26,239
can't release any of this information

2689
01:50:29,990 --> 01:50:28,080
for these reasons

2690
01:50:31,589 --> 01:50:30,000
and what did they do in the hearing they

2691
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:31,599
immediately said we'll go by and close

2692
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:33,679
doors to talk about this now

2693
01:50:38,070 --> 01:50:36,080
again that's still a need to know and

2694
01:50:39,189 --> 01:50:38,080
that's a subcommittee so they're not

2695
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:39,199
going to get

2696
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:40,800
the high-end briefing number one and

2697
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:42,880
number two the guys that are giving it

2698
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:44,480
probably don't have all the answers

2699
01:50:48,310 --> 01:50:46,560
themselves

2700
01:50:49,830 --> 01:50:48,320
so um

2701
01:50:51,189 --> 01:50:49,840
if

2702
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:51,199
let's let's

2703
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:55,199
let's explore this just a little bit um

2704
01:50:58,149 --> 01:50:57,199
i'm trying to get answers here

2705
01:51:01,910 --> 01:50:58,159
right

2706
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:01,920
let's say that that closed

2707
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:04,239
the the classified briefing

2708
01:51:08,709 --> 01:51:06,800
is bray and moultrie going okay let's

2709
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:08,719
check this out this is our technology

2710
01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:12,080
and we've been uh testing it against our

2711
01:51:16,229 --> 01:51:12,880
own

2712
01:51:18,870 --> 01:51:16,239
uh technology and sensor systems and we

2713
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:18,880
are able to mask and spoof

2714
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:21,599
and and cheat radar and create objects

2715
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:23,360
in the sky with plasma

2716
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:25,520
and and we're making sure that this

2717
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:28,320
system works with our own servicemen and

2718
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:30,400
women before we take it and deploy it in

2719
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:33,199
the field and that's the big secret here

2720
01:51:37,589 --> 01:51:35,840
so let them talk ufos all they want

2721
01:51:38,790 --> 01:51:37,599
because it's going to throw off russia

2722
01:51:41,030 --> 01:51:38,800
and china

2723
01:51:43,589 --> 01:51:41,040
do you really think that that is a

2724
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:43,599
possibility and

2725
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:46,960
and that's in 2022 with an incident that

2726
01:51:52,310 --> 01:51:49,360
happened in 2004

2727
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:52,320
that technology and uh uh

2728
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:55,040
controlling what your mind thinks

2729
01:51:58,790 --> 01:51:57,440
and the ability to create something

2730
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:58,800
floating around in the woods of

2731
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:01,280
rendelsham that that technology existed

2732
01:52:05,030 --> 01:52:03,199
in 1980

2733
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:05,040
yeah they're working on it just read the

2734
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:08,080
book we've cited read the book yeah and

2735
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:11,199
did we not cite the exact projects that

2736
01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:13,360
were taking place during that time frame

2737
01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:15,520
what the projects were that the fact

2738
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:18,080
that in that area they originally were

2739
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:19,920
working on the death ray then they

2740
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:21,840
developed radar off of that then they

2741
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:23,520
were working on em frequencies and

2742
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,400
technology they were working on plasmas

2743
01:52:30,390 --> 01:52:28,320
andrew pike did a book where he was

2744
01:52:31,990 --> 01:52:30,400
working a project that they were

2745
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:32,000
studying the phenomenon that was in the

2746
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:35,040
area and he himself openly said that

2747
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:37,760
they were actually blasting the uh

2748
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:39,599
phenomenon to see the reactions and how

2749
01:52:43,750 --> 01:52:42,080
it would work on where did they get

2750
01:52:46,149 --> 01:52:43,760
these um

2751
01:52:46,950 --> 01:52:46,159
the frequencies how do they understand

2752
01:52:49,430 --> 01:52:46,960
them

2753
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:49,440
why why is so much effort being worked

2754
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:52,960
on em technology you know and stealth

2755
01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:55,119
you know and counter measures and

2756
01:52:59,270 --> 01:52:57,040
they're working on cloaking right now

2757
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:59,280
they're working on being able to

2758
01:53:03,030 --> 01:53:01,520
transfer from a to b and your body would

2759
01:53:05,750 --> 01:53:03,040
actually have to be

2760
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:05,760
like star trek okay they're working on

2761
01:53:11,189 --> 01:53:08,719
telepathy okay they're working on with

2762
01:53:14,870 --> 01:53:11,199
the quantum computers now they're able

2763
01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:14,880
to work on the mind itself in putting ai

2764
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:18,800
or consciousness into drones okay and

2765
01:53:24,790 --> 01:53:21,199
because of the fact that frequencies can

2766
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,800
disrupt when we're handling drones one

2767
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:26,880
of the biggest vulnerabilities is if

2768
01:53:29,910 --> 01:53:28,480
they can lock into the frequency that's

2769
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:29,920
controlling the drone they can take the

2770
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:31,440
drone out of the sky

2771
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,840
okay so what would be the next step you

2772
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:35,280
would have to control it either

2773
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:37,440
independently which now they've admitted

2774
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:38,880
that we have it

2775
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:41,760
they did they sold some of the drones to

2776
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:43,760
ukraine that can hover above targets and

2777
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:45,920
strike a target on his own

2778
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:49,119
so there is ai out there that these

2779
01:53:53,189 --> 01:53:50,800
independent these drones operate

2780
01:53:56,470 --> 01:53:53,199
independently okay then you have the

2781
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:56,480
swarm drones now the chinese have a a

2782
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:58,960
craft now they developed that have all

2783
01:54:03,270 --> 01:54:01,679
these drones that they can send out that

2784
01:54:05,589 --> 01:54:03,280
would disrupt

2785
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:05,599
disrupt carrier groups or airplanes and

2786
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:08,320
everything else never mind the helmet

2787
01:54:13,270 --> 01:54:11,040
that the f-35 that they use which by the

2788
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:13,280
way faber admitted that that helmet was

2789
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:14,320
in use

2790
01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:16,480
during the nimitz incident but he said

2791
01:54:20,870 --> 01:54:18,400
it wasn't they weren't using it that day

2792
01:54:23,350 --> 01:54:20,880
because it caused them issues

2793
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:23,360
well did it or were they using it um

2794
01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:25,520
were the issues because of what they

2795
01:54:29,430 --> 01:54:27,280
were doing through the helmet

2796
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:29,440
um we're working on countermeasures

2797
01:54:34,229 --> 01:54:32,159
completely put off gets got a contractor

2798
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:34,239
who's working on tanks trying to clone

2799
01:54:38,070 --> 01:54:35,440
make them um

2800
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:38,080
you know cloak disappear

2801
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:38,960
so

2802
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:41,040
this is all technology we're working on

2803
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:44,960
now the big question is is did we just

2804
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:48,320
magically learn all of this on our own

2805
01:54:53,030 --> 01:54:50,800
or we had some help

2806
01:54:54,790 --> 01:54:53,040
and the guys that are working on this

2807
01:54:56,950 --> 01:54:54,800
puddle's been around forever he worked

2808
01:54:59,510 --> 01:54:56,960
on stargate and you ask about these

2809
01:55:01,430 --> 01:54:59,520
projects stargate was created because

2810
01:55:03,430 --> 01:55:01,440
bearden discovered the russians were

2811
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:03,440
working on this stuff and we couldn't

2812
01:55:06,870 --> 01:55:04,560
allow them

2813
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:06,880
to we didn't know what they had for sure

2814
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:09,199
so we had to try to you know counter

2815
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:11,280
what they had and figure out if it was

2816
01:55:15,589 --> 01:55:13,360
feasible or not and a lot of money was

2817
01:55:17,669 --> 01:55:15,599
spent on project stargate

2818
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:17,679
and a lot of these other projects

2819
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:18,400
so

2820
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:19,760
it is

2821
01:55:25,910 --> 01:55:21,199
is

2822
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:25,920
as a possibility as as you are

2823
01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:27,679
suggesting here

2824
01:55:31,589 --> 01:55:30,719
would this be i mean so we're talking

2825
01:55:34,629 --> 01:55:31,599
about

2826
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:34,639
not only darpa but but northrop grumman

2827
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:37,360
or general electric whoever you want to

2828
01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:39,040
you know nasa

2829
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:42,320
nasa included sure certainly sandia

2830
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:44,560
um

2831
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:48,000
these uh different not only corporations

2832
01:55:52,390 --> 01:55:50,880
in the private sector but uh branches of

2833
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:52,400
the military

2834
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:55,599
that have a technology that could

2835
01:56:01,109 --> 01:55:58,880
uh manipulate the mind manipulate vision

2836
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:01,119
manipulate radar

2837
01:56:06,709 --> 01:56:04,719
all at the same time this is a pretty

2838
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:06,719
that's bigger than the manhattan project

2839
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:07,920
john

2840
01:56:12,229 --> 01:56:10,080
yeah and it's been going on since before

2841
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:12,239
1980.

2842
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:14,000
they've been working on this forever

2843
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:15,920
green was part of it kick green was part

2844
01:56:19,109 --> 01:56:17,360
of that project

2845
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:19,119
because one of his jobs when he worked

2846
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:21,840
for the cia was the weird desk but also

2847
01:56:25,030 --> 01:56:23,599
russian technology

2848
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:25,040
and the russians have been working on

2849
01:56:28,390 --> 01:56:26,239
this forever

2850
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:28,400
they've been working on plasmas and

2851
01:56:31,589 --> 01:56:29,760
everything else the difference between

2852
01:56:34,149 --> 01:56:31,599
russia and us is we have the money and

2853
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:34,159
they don't

2854
01:56:39,510 --> 01:56:37,760
when the uap task force states that we

2855
01:56:41,830 --> 01:56:39,520
don't know what's going on but we can

2856
01:56:42,790 --> 01:56:41,840
tell you that it's not us and it's not

2857
01:56:45,510 --> 01:56:42,800
them

2858
01:56:48,229 --> 01:56:45,520
right talking about russia and china

2859
01:56:50,870 --> 01:56:48,239
that's uh that's an important deduction

2860
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:50,880
uh to put in in the pub that's not in

2861
01:56:54,830 --> 01:56:52,719
the classified version

2862
01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:54,840
that's in the public version of the

2863
01:56:59,629 --> 01:56:58,320
report um so it would be

2864
01:57:05,830 --> 01:56:59,639
so

2865
01:57:06,629 --> 01:57:05,840
that nobody knows about this project

2866
01:57:08,470 --> 01:57:06,639
well

2867
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:08,480
again we haven't seen the classified

2868
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:10,400
version of any of these reports

2869
01:57:16,390 --> 01:57:13,119
we didn't sit behind closed doors and

2870
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:16,400
what took place after the open hearing

2871
01:57:21,189 --> 01:57:18,880
but yeah think about what reid wanted to

2872
01:57:23,430 --> 01:57:21,199
do just what little they gleaned

2873
01:57:25,669 --> 01:57:23,440
from bigelow's funding

2874
01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:25,679
what was the first thing he wanted to do

2875
01:57:29,589 --> 01:57:28,080
with the information which they've never

2876
01:57:32,070 --> 01:57:29,599
went public with

2877
01:57:34,709 --> 01:57:32,080
if you think about it why did reid want

2878
01:57:36,149 --> 01:57:34,719
to make that information into an sap

2879
01:57:39,750 --> 01:57:36,159
program

2880
01:57:43,350 --> 01:57:39,760
well okay so but certainly

2881
01:57:44,950 --> 01:57:43,360
uh mark marco rubio and the other

2882
01:57:47,350 --> 01:57:44,960
members of the senate intelligence

2883
01:57:49,589 --> 01:57:47,360
committee have read the classified

2884
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:49,599
version of the report and they have been

2885
01:57:53,589 --> 01:57:51,360
talking to

2886
01:57:54,550 --> 01:57:53,599
the different branches of the military

2887
01:57:57,030 --> 01:57:54,560
and

2888
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:57,040
the different intelligence agencies

2889
01:58:00,709 --> 01:57:58,480
and if they were exposed to this

2890
01:58:03,669 --> 01:58:00,719
information there would be no uap task

2891
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:03,679
force in fact it would be case closed

2892
01:58:09,030 --> 01:58:06,880
not necessarily because number one

2893
01:58:10,870 --> 01:58:09,040
you you have to understand how much

2894
01:58:12,870 --> 01:58:10,880
information are they given

2895
01:58:14,550 --> 01:58:12,880
do you know what i mean how what they

2896
01:58:16,550 --> 01:58:14,560
have to have a need to know

2897
01:58:19,669 --> 01:58:16,560
and then they have to get the people in

2898
01:58:22,070 --> 01:58:19,679
these departments to open up to them and

2899
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:22,080
what what what's going on here right now

2900
01:58:26,310 --> 01:58:24,800
is pretty simple they're not getting the

2901
01:58:27,589 --> 01:58:26,320
information the air force is not

2902
01:58:30,950 --> 01:58:27,599
cooperating

2903
01:58:33,430 --> 01:58:30,960
and from what i understand there is a

2904
01:58:35,510 --> 01:58:33,440
task force already working on how much

2905
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:35,520
of this through the ig because remember

2906
01:58:39,510 --> 01:58:37,679
there was implications brought up about

2907
01:58:41,669 --> 01:58:39,520
the ig and looking into what's being

2908
01:58:43,750 --> 01:58:41,679
covered up and what's being lied about

2909
01:58:45,990 --> 01:58:43,760
so why would you have ig

2910
01:58:48,550 --> 01:58:46,000
looking into what's being held back

2911
01:58:49,350 --> 01:58:48,560
what's being covered up and

2912
01:58:53,990 --> 01:58:49,360
um

2913
01:58:56,470 --> 01:58:54,000
who is the the go-to person in congress

2914
01:58:57,990 --> 01:58:56,480
i mean who is mccain would have been

2915
01:59:00,390 --> 01:58:58,000
when he was around because of the

2916
01:59:03,510 --> 01:59:00,400
committee he held in the years he was on

2917
01:59:05,109 --> 01:59:03,520
it but who who can you zero in on now

2918
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:05,119
that would have the highest clearance

2919
01:59:08,629 --> 01:59:07,040
and the highest need to know

2920
01:59:10,950 --> 01:59:08,639
okay so

2921
01:59:12,629 --> 01:59:10,960
and then with with all of this in this

2922
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:12,639
conversation

2923
01:59:17,350 --> 01:59:14,880
uh let's go back to the first segment of

2924
01:59:20,550 --> 01:59:17,360
the show tonight when you brought up the

2925
01:59:22,310 --> 01:59:20,560
space force and and tracking these

2926
01:59:23,189 --> 01:59:22,320
objects coming

2927
01:59:23,990 --> 01:59:23,199
uh

2928
01:59:26,550 --> 01:59:24,000
from

2929
01:59:28,390 --> 01:59:26,560
deep in the soul no no no no they never

2930
01:59:29,990 --> 01:59:28,400
said where they how they were tracking

2931
01:59:31,750 --> 01:59:30,000
them and they never said where they

2932
01:59:34,470 --> 01:59:31,760
spotted them they didn't say it

2933
01:59:37,030 --> 01:59:34,480
necessarily was in space it could be on

2934
01:59:39,589 --> 01:59:37,040
it could be right down on planet earth

2935
01:59:41,750 --> 01:59:39,599
well it could be both of course right

2936
01:59:43,270 --> 01:59:41,760
that's what i'm saying we don't know

2937
01:59:44,790 --> 01:59:43,280
how they're tracking them where they're

2938
01:59:48,629 --> 01:59:44,800
tracking them

2939
01:59:51,189 --> 01:59:48,639
we're tracking plasma created technology

2940
01:59:52,470 --> 01:59:51,199
from our own military that doesn't make

2941
01:59:55,270 --> 01:59:52,480
any sense

2942
01:59:58,070 --> 01:59:55,280
it would make sense if the that what

2943
02:00:00,950 --> 01:59:58,080
okay your radar operator you're running

2944
02:00:02,629 --> 02:00:00,960
a satellite and the data comes in

2945
02:00:03,669 --> 02:00:02,639
you don't have the need to know what it

2946
02:00:06,229 --> 02:00:03,679
is

2947
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:06,239
you you just you're just taking the data

2948
02:00:10,790 --> 02:00:08,639
and it's getting passed down now where

2949
02:00:13,589 --> 02:00:10,800
the data goes to the department that

2950
02:00:15,270 --> 02:00:13,599
takes this data is the key to this

2951
02:00:17,750 --> 02:00:15,280
because they're the ones that will know

2952
02:00:18,550 --> 02:00:17,760
the most they're the ones that would

2953
02:00:20,550 --> 02:00:18,560
know

2954
02:00:22,870 --> 02:00:20,560
what was going on and of course it makes

2955
02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:22,880
sense because the soviets and the

2956
02:00:27,109 --> 02:00:24,960
chinese have satellites and they're

2957
02:00:29,750 --> 02:00:27,119
tracking stuff so they're going to want

2958
02:00:30,709 --> 02:00:29,760
to know exactly what is picked up what

2959
02:00:33,910 --> 02:00:30,719
isn't

2960
02:00:35,830 --> 02:00:33,920
what is perceived as and everything else

2961
02:00:38,790 --> 02:00:35,840
so these are all things that these are

2962
02:00:40,950 --> 02:00:38,800
all things that the ufo world doesn't

2963
02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:40,960
want to talk about and if you bring it

2964
02:00:45,669 --> 02:00:43,920
up then you get you get you know you get

2965
02:00:47,430 --> 02:00:45,679
a cold shoulder from them well

2966
02:00:49,830 --> 02:00:47,440
everything everything needs to be on the

2967
02:00:52,310 --> 02:00:49,840
table everything needs to be on the

2968
02:00:54,229 --> 02:00:52,320
table but i will say this as we're going

2969
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:54,239
to head to a break in in about 15

2970
02:00:57,830 --> 02:00:55,199
seconds

2971
02:01:00,390 --> 02:00:57,840
there's 50 billion earth-like planets in

2972
02:01:02,790 --> 02:01:00,400
the milky way that can support life

2973
02:01:04,550 --> 02:01:02,800
rocky earth-like planets in the

2974
02:01:07,430 --> 02:01:04,560
goldilocks zone

2975
02:01:10,790 --> 02:01:07,440
and it's a numbers game john there are

2976
02:01:13,910 --> 02:01:10,800
thousands of advanced civilizations that

2977
02:01:16,149 --> 02:01:13,920
are aware of this planet this beautiful

2978
02:01:18,149 --> 02:01:16,159
blue gem that we live on

2979
02:01:19,270 --> 02:01:18,159
so some of this

2980
02:01:21,830 --> 02:01:19,280
could be

2981
02:01:23,189 --> 02:01:21,840
what you're saying our technology and

2982
02:01:25,189 --> 02:01:23,199
this is stuff that we're looking at

2983
02:01:26,470 --> 02:01:25,199
where where we got the technology from

2984
02:01:28,629 --> 02:01:26,480
the ideas

2985
02:01:30,550 --> 02:01:28,639
uh is it backwards that's a whole other

2986
02:01:33,510 --> 02:01:30,560
conversation but

2987
02:01:35,830 --> 02:01:33,520
there are all kinds of civilizations

2988
02:01:38,070 --> 02:01:35,840
with their own technology visiting this

2989
02:01:39,270 --> 02:01:38,080
planet every single day but here's the

2990
02:01:40,470 --> 02:01:39,280
here's the thing i'm going to ask you

2991
02:01:42,790 --> 02:01:40,480
jimmy

2992
02:01:45,750 --> 02:01:42,800
you said how could the government be

2993
02:01:47,750 --> 02:01:45,760
covering up from people working the pro

2994
02:01:50,229 --> 02:01:47,760
the job like the people behind the

2995
02:01:51,109 --> 02:01:50,239
satellites the the pilots and everything

2996
02:01:53,430 --> 02:01:51,119
else

2997
02:01:55,750 --> 02:01:53,440
how have they been able to keep

2998
02:01:58,229 --> 02:01:55,760
this secret as far as if there's other

2999
02:01:59,030 --> 02:01:58,239
civilizations that are here and visiting

3000
02:01:59,910 --> 02:01:59,040
us

3001
02:02:00,950 --> 02:01:59,920
why

3002
02:02:03,030 --> 02:02:00,960
hasn't

3003
02:02:06,229 --> 02:02:03,040
it ever come out with

3004
02:02:07,750 --> 02:02:06,239
them identifying who they are well okay

3005
02:02:09,669 --> 02:02:07,760
i'll answer that question when we come

3006
02:02:11,589 --> 02:02:09,679
back after this short break this is fade

3007
02:02:13,910 --> 02:02:11,599
to black i guess tonight the one and

3008
02:02:16,070 --> 02:02:13,920
only john burroughs this is one of our

3009
02:02:18,149 --> 02:02:16,080
phone conversations live on the air this

3010
02:02:19,830 --> 02:02:18,159
is awesome john you stay right there i'm

3011
02:02:22,149 --> 02:02:19,840
your host jimmy church this is fade to

3012
02:02:23,420 --> 02:02:22,159
black more with john after this short

3013
02:02:29,270 --> 02:02:23,430
break stay with us

3014
02:02:45,430 --> 02:02:29,280
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02:02:49,750 --> 02:02:47,189
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3016
02:02:52,550 --> 02:02:49,760
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3017
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3019
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3020
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3027
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3028
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3030
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3034
02:03:46,870 --> 02:03:42,709
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3035
02:03:49,669 --> 02:03:46,880
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3036
02:03:52,229 --> 02:03:49,679
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3037
02:03:55,830 --> 02:03:52,239
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3038
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3040
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3041
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3042
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3043
02:04:13,109 --> 02:04:09,679
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3044
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3045
02:04:20,310 --> 02:04:16,400
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3046
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3047
02:04:25,589 --> 02:04:23,199
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3048
02:04:27,910 --> 02:04:25,599
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3049
02:04:30,229 --> 02:04:27,920
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3050
02:04:32,709 --> 02:04:30,239
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3051
02:04:35,310 --> 02:04:32,719
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3052
02:04:37,109 --> 02:04:35,320
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3053
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02:04:42,069 --> 02:04:38,880
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3055
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02:04:52,310 --> 02:04:44,440
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3057
02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:57,109
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3058
02:05:02,709 --> 02:04:58,950
you wanna know a secret

3059
02:05:04,069 --> 02:05:02,719
i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

3060
02:05:06,310 --> 02:05:04,079
serious

3061
02:05:07,669 --> 02:05:06,320
i couldn't stay sane without pulling mr

3062
02:05:09,750 --> 02:05:07,679
brush

3063
02:05:16,229 --> 02:05:09,760
why fade to black

3064
02:05:22,210 --> 02:05:18,390
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3065
02:05:35,669 --> 02:05:22,220
on the game changer radio network

3066
02:05:37,669 --> 02:05:35,679
[Music]

3067
02:05:39,430 --> 02:05:37,679
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3068
02:05:42,390 --> 02:05:39,440
jimmy church john burroughs is with us

3069
02:05:46,629 --> 02:05:43,669
thanks john i'm gonna have some

3070
02:05:47,750 --> 02:05:46,639
nightmares tonight as i uh as i go to

3071
02:05:49,589 --> 02:05:47,760
bed

3072
02:05:52,709 --> 02:05:49,599
man too much to think about man you've

3073
02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:52,719
got my you've got my head swimming here

3074
02:05:58,550 --> 02:05:55,760
now let's let's go to some uh some

3075
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:58,560
post-hearing uh comments i know that i

3076
02:06:03,350 --> 02:06:00,880
didn't see uh the conversation with uh

3077
02:06:06,629 --> 02:06:03,360
burchette and lou lozando so i can't

3078
02:06:09,109 --> 02:06:06,639
comment there but i did see burchette's

3079
02:06:11,270 --> 02:06:09,119
big blow up after the hearing

3080
02:06:13,189 --> 02:06:11,280
and he was an audience member right he

3081
02:06:14,550 --> 02:06:13,199
wasn't part of the committee asking

3082
02:06:17,750 --> 02:06:14,560
questions

3083
02:06:18,870 --> 02:06:17,760
but he was pretty inflamed and and he

3084
02:06:19,910 --> 02:06:18,880
said

3085
02:06:27,910 --> 02:06:19,920
uh

3086
02:06:30,310 --> 02:06:27,920
that this is a cover up on the american

3087
02:06:33,669 --> 02:06:30,320
people by our own united states

3088
02:06:36,950 --> 02:06:33,679
government and the deception has to end

3089
02:06:39,830 --> 02:06:36,960
uh this is this is a cover-up and

3090
02:06:42,310 --> 02:06:39,840
that was a a pretty extreme statement to

3091
02:06:45,109 --> 02:06:42,320
come from burchette

3092
02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:45,119
what's the cover-up the cover-up about

3093
02:06:50,709 --> 02:06:48,480
uh e.t and and what may be going on in

3094
02:06:52,550 --> 02:06:50,719
the skies or something else going on

3095
02:06:54,310 --> 02:06:52,560
with our military

3096
02:06:57,270 --> 02:06:54,320
well okay

3097
02:06:59,589 --> 02:06:57,280
now the interview you did with lou today

3098
02:07:02,069 --> 02:06:59,599
they at the end they did their goodbyes

3099
02:07:05,109 --> 02:07:02,079
and he said he's talked to luke quite a

3100
02:07:06,790 --> 02:07:05,119
bit now remember lou and melon have been

3101
02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:06,800
up on the hill they've been priming

3102
02:07:10,709 --> 02:07:08,880
these guys so

3103
02:07:13,270 --> 02:07:10,719
based off of

3104
02:07:16,310 --> 02:07:13,280
probably things that he's heard

3105
02:07:18,870 --> 02:07:16,320
you know military stuff he's may know or

3106
02:07:19,750 --> 02:07:18,880
doesn't know totally exists

3107
02:07:21,510 --> 02:07:19,760
um

3108
02:07:23,750 --> 02:07:21,520
different things that lou and melon have

3109
02:07:25,510 --> 02:07:23,760
talked to him about he didn't feel the

3110
02:07:26,629 --> 02:07:25,520
hearings were fair to the american

3111
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:26,639
public

3112
02:07:30,149 --> 02:07:27,440
and

3113
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:30,159
the the bottom line is is that

3114
02:07:34,310 --> 02:07:32,639
that's what we started to show with what

3115
02:07:36,310 --> 02:07:34,320
is fair and what is it

3116
02:07:38,550 --> 02:07:36,320
what did millan say he said we have to

3117
02:07:40,470 --> 02:07:38,560
find a fair balance between what the

3118
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:40,480
public needs to know what's national

3119
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:43,679
security based okay but there's one

3120
02:07:47,669 --> 02:07:45,840
other aspect that he did mention and

3121
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:47,679
whether he's directly involved with it

3122
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:50,880
justice lou and some of these other guys

3123
02:07:54,709 --> 02:07:53,360
is the development of the technology and

3124
02:07:57,030 --> 02:07:54,719
where we're going

3125
02:07:59,109 --> 02:07:57,040
and this is the big question

3126
02:08:01,669 --> 02:07:59,119
how far are we

3127
02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:01,679
and how much more money do we need

3128
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:04,000
you know in an open budget to make this

3129
02:08:08,390 --> 02:08:07,119
work because we have to some of it has

3130
02:08:11,030 --> 02:08:08,400
to show up

3131
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:11,040
in a regular budget okay but jimmy

3132
02:08:15,189 --> 02:08:12,400
there's something we never even touched

3133
02:08:17,109 --> 02:08:15,199
on tonight that i want to briefly hit

3134
02:08:18,709 --> 02:08:17,119
what happened right before 9 11. there

3135
02:08:21,510 --> 02:08:18,719
was a hearing with runsville that said

3136
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:21,520
there were seven trillion missing right

3137
02:08:26,550 --> 02:08:24,159
okay if you did the math

3138
02:08:28,709 --> 02:08:26,560
two decades worth of government funding

3139
02:08:29,589 --> 02:08:28,719
didn't equal seven trillion

3140
02:08:31,589 --> 02:08:29,599
okay

3141
02:08:33,830 --> 02:08:31,599
now they're supposedly over 20 trillion

3142
02:08:36,149 --> 02:08:33,840
they can't account for okay

3143
02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:36,159
now the interesting thing is again the

3144
02:08:41,109 --> 02:08:37,840
math doesn't add up

3145
02:08:43,750 --> 02:08:41,119
basically what this implies is there's

3146
02:08:45,830 --> 02:08:43,760
black money that's being printed that's

3147
02:08:48,149 --> 02:08:45,840
going to these defense contractors

3148
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:48,159
that's off book so it's never in the

3149
02:08:51,430 --> 02:08:49,360
budget

3150
02:08:53,750 --> 02:08:51,440
and it's never accounted for

3151
02:08:54,629 --> 02:08:53,760
and not only that is it not accounted

3152
02:08:56,950 --> 02:08:54,639
for

3153
02:08:59,189 --> 02:08:56,960
but that that they've tried to audit

3154
02:09:00,790 --> 02:08:59,199
every other department in you know all

3155
02:09:04,069 --> 02:09:00,800
the other agencies have been audited but

3156
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:04,079
the dod still hasn't went through a full

3157
02:09:07,990 --> 02:09:05,040
audit

3158
02:09:10,149 --> 02:09:08,000
and never will so the bottom line is

3159
02:09:12,790 --> 02:09:10,159
where is all this money being printed

3160
02:09:15,750 --> 02:09:12,800
going towards and who's

3161
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:15,760
the biggest power play is who gets the

3162
02:09:20,709 --> 02:09:18,480
contracts and who builds the technology

3163
02:09:23,750 --> 02:09:20,719
and who's you remember you have to have

3164
02:09:26,069 --> 02:09:23,760
individuals that study it scientists

3165
02:09:27,589 --> 02:09:26,079
physicists and everybody else then you

3166
02:09:29,589 --> 02:09:27,599
have to have the people that are

3167
02:09:31,669 --> 02:09:29,599
engineers that are going to take what

3168
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:31,679
they learn from this and build the

3169
02:09:34,629 --> 02:09:33,760
prototypes you know design it and build

3170
02:09:36,470 --> 02:09:34,639
it

3171
02:09:39,189 --> 02:09:36,480
and there's plenty of proof going on

3172
02:09:41,030 --> 02:09:39,199
that this stuff is going on

3173
02:09:43,910 --> 02:09:41,040
okay there's plenty of documents out

3174
02:09:47,109 --> 02:09:43,920
there to support there's a black budget

3175
02:09:49,030 --> 02:09:47,119
there's sap programs and that there's

3176
02:09:51,510 --> 02:09:49,040
technology that the public and most of

3177
02:09:54,550 --> 02:09:51,520
congress don't even know about

3178
02:09:56,390 --> 02:09:54,560
so uh back to burchett's comments and

3179
02:09:58,830 --> 02:09:56,400
thank you for for that and you're right

3180
02:10:02,629 --> 02:09:58,840
the the money appears to have just

3181
02:10:04,790 --> 02:10:02,639
disappeared um and and where'd it go and

3182
02:10:08,069 --> 02:10:04,800
what did it get spent on

3183
02:10:09,990 --> 02:10:08,079
b i mean it's the budget of the world

3184
02:10:12,229 --> 02:10:10,000
right it's it's the

3185
02:10:14,629 --> 02:10:12,239
account the world economy

3186
02:10:15,510 --> 02:10:14,639
is is missing and that's that's a lot of

3187
02:10:16,390 --> 02:10:15,520
money

3188
02:10:18,950 --> 02:10:16,400
but

3189
02:10:20,629 --> 02:10:18,960
what is the cover-up of

3190
02:10:22,069 --> 02:10:20,639
that's the thing what is berchette

3191
02:10:25,589 --> 02:10:22,079
referring to

3192
02:10:27,350 --> 02:10:25,599
and is lou elizondo and chris mellon

3193
02:10:30,069 --> 02:10:27,360
their focus on

3194
02:10:34,310 --> 02:10:30,079
these objects in the skies

3195
02:10:38,470 --> 02:10:34,320
um and and this was a ufo hearing

3196
02:10:39,589 --> 02:10:38,480
according to andre carson not uap a ufo

3197
02:10:42,629 --> 02:10:39,599
hearing

3198
02:10:45,430 --> 02:10:42,639
and we know what ufo means

3199
02:10:49,030 --> 02:10:45,440
now so what is the cover-up is the

3200
02:10:51,990 --> 02:10:49,040
cover-up about contact with e.t

3201
02:10:55,669 --> 02:10:52,000
or is the cover-up about black budgets

3202
02:10:58,310 --> 02:10:55,679
and money and and defense technology

3203
02:11:00,470 --> 02:10:58,320
well you could add you could add the

3204
02:11:02,550 --> 02:11:00,480
besides the cover-up of all that you

3205
02:11:04,870 --> 02:11:02,560
could add the fact that they're not

3206
02:11:06,470 --> 02:11:04,880
really admitting to anything they know

3207
02:11:07,589 --> 02:11:06,480
i mean if you really looked at the

3208
02:11:09,830 --> 02:11:07,599
hearing

3209
02:11:10,950 --> 02:11:09,840
there was really nothing learned from it

3210
02:11:12,709 --> 02:11:10,960
other than

3211
02:11:14,950 --> 02:11:12,719
yes we have videos

3212
02:11:17,350 --> 02:11:14,960
yes there's stuff in the sky

3213
02:11:19,750 --> 02:11:17,360
no we're not totally aware of what it is

3214
02:11:21,750 --> 02:11:19,760
and again depending on

3215
02:11:23,589 --> 02:11:21,760
who you bring in

3216
02:11:27,030 --> 02:11:23,599
these guys were probably pretty much

3217
02:11:28,629 --> 02:11:27,040
honest they got what they needed to know

3218
02:11:30,550 --> 02:11:28,639
they played their role

3219
02:11:34,310 --> 02:11:30,560
the the question is is where you have to

3220
02:11:35,990 --> 02:11:34,320
go back to is who would know the most

3221
02:11:37,350 --> 02:11:36,000
that's the person you need to bring up

3222
02:11:39,510 --> 02:11:37,360
on capitol hill

3223
02:11:41,350 --> 02:11:39,520
who would know the most of this and that

3224
02:11:42,550 --> 02:11:41,360
would be in the science and technology

3225
02:11:45,669 --> 02:11:42,560
division

3226
02:11:48,550 --> 02:11:45,679
inside these different agencies never

3227
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:48,560
mind you would bring bring in all these

3228
02:11:52,229 --> 02:11:50,880
different um industrial

3229
02:11:54,470 --> 02:11:52,239
agencies that are building this

3230
02:11:57,189 --> 02:11:54,480
technology but there that's a whole

3231
02:11:58,709 --> 02:11:57,199
nother can of worms because that is

3232
02:12:00,069 --> 02:11:58,719
patent stuff

3233
02:12:02,470 --> 02:12:00,079
and that was one of the things that was

3234
02:12:05,109 --> 02:12:02,480
in the foyer request i did was they

3235
02:12:07,589 --> 02:12:05,119
can't disclose what was being worked on

3236
02:12:09,189 --> 02:12:07,599
what they're doing because it's owned by

3237
02:12:12,149 --> 02:12:09,199
private industry

3238
02:12:13,189 --> 02:12:12,159
so that's another way to hide this stuff

3239
02:12:15,510 --> 02:12:13,199
from

3240
02:12:17,669 --> 02:12:15,520
most of congress if not all of them and

3241
02:12:19,750 --> 02:12:17,679
you know by now most of these guys ruby

3242
02:12:21,350 --> 02:12:19,760
on those guys i don't know for sure what

3243
02:12:23,830 --> 02:12:21,360
he knows so i'm not going to sit there

3244
02:12:26,470 --> 02:12:23,840
and say he's out of the loop completely

3245
02:12:28,069 --> 02:12:26,480
but when you have this kind of interest

3246
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:28,079
there's been enough

3247
02:12:31,510 --> 02:12:29,679
given to them to realize they're not

3248
02:12:33,589 --> 02:12:31,520
getting the full story

3249
02:12:36,149 --> 02:12:33,599
and they want the full story

3250
02:12:38,069 --> 02:12:36,159
but they haven't really said themselves

3251
02:12:39,990 --> 02:12:38,079
how much they feel the american public

3252
02:12:42,229 --> 02:12:40,000
should know

3253
02:12:44,709 --> 02:12:42,239
and how far they're going to take this

3254
02:12:46,229 --> 02:12:44,719
to let the american public know what we

3255
02:12:51,189 --> 02:12:46,239
really do or don't know and where we're

3256
02:12:53,669 --> 02:12:51,199
going with all this the uh

3257
02:12:56,629 --> 02:12:53,679
the the other part of this that that i

3258
02:13:00,149 --> 02:12:56,639
find uh really strange

3259
02:13:01,750 --> 02:13:00,159
is that uh we do have

3260
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:01,760
two three

3261
02:13:04,709 --> 02:13:03,360
four known

3262
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:04,719
incidents

3263
02:13:11,270 --> 02:13:07,440
that uh off off of both coasts

3264
02:13:14,790 --> 02:13:11,280
um over the last uh 18 or so years

3265
02:13:17,910 --> 02:13:14,800
that only involve the united states navy

3266
02:13:19,669 --> 02:13:17,920
that we're not getting any reports from

3267
02:13:21,270 --> 02:13:19,679
the marines we're not getting anything

3268
02:13:23,830 --> 02:13:21,280
from the army we're certainly not

3269
02:13:25,830 --> 02:13:23,840
getting anything from the air force uh

3270
02:13:28,629 --> 02:13:25,840
what does the coast guard know the coast

3271
02:13:30,550 --> 02:13:28,639
guard is it's got ships you know all

3272
02:13:33,510 --> 02:13:30,560
over the world and certainly

3273
02:13:34,390 --> 02:13:33,520
uh up and down the east and west coast

3274
02:13:37,990 --> 02:13:34,400
and

3275
02:13:41,350 --> 02:13:38,000
these incidents

3276
02:13:42,950 --> 02:13:41,360
and i think that is something that uh

3277
02:13:46,069 --> 02:13:42,960
needs to be a line of questioning in

3278
02:13:47,430 --> 02:13:46,079
these hearings why it's happening only

3279
02:13:49,750 --> 02:13:47,440
this way

3280
02:13:52,470 --> 02:13:49,760
well you have to look at

3281
02:13:54,629 --> 02:13:52,480
you know again i don't there was gun

3282
02:13:55,910 --> 02:13:54,639
camera footage from iran if i remember

3283
02:13:58,709 --> 02:13:55,920
right

3284
02:14:01,669 --> 02:13:58,719
they got something on camera but just

3285
02:14:03,669 --> 02:14:01,679
remember from 2004 going forward there

3286
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:03,679
was an upgrade in the sensor systems in

3287
02:14:06,149 --> 02:14:05,360
the f-18

3288
02:14:08,390 --> 02:14:06,159
so

3289
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:08,400
you have to have the capability

3290
02:14:12,870 --> 02:14:11,199
to detect this whatever this is whether

3291
02:14:16,310 --> 02:14:12,880
it's us

3292
02:14:18,550 --> 02:14:16,320
something you a a genuine uap or us

3293
02:14:19,990 --> 02:14:18,560
develop technology off of both and

3294
02:14:21,350 --> 02:14:20,000
here's the other question that's never

3295
02:14:23,430 --> 02:14:21,360
been answered

3296
02:14:25,430 --> 02:14:23,440
are we working have we been able to

3297
02:14:27,510 --> 02:14:25,440
communicate with uaps

3298
02:14:30,229 --> 02:14:27,520
and are they helping us are they helping

3299
02:14:32,149 --> 02:14:30,239
us develop this technology

3300
02:14:33,270 --> 02:14:32,159
that's a big i'd say that's a huge

3301
02:14:35,910 --> 02:14:33,280
question

3302
02:14:38,229 --> 02:14:35,920
and there was uh one other thing that

3303
02:14:39,750 --> 02:14:38,239
was brought up in the hearing and

3304
02:14:41,270 --> 02:14:39,760
uh well there's a lot of things that

3305
02:14:44,229 --> 02:14:41,280
were brought up in the hearing

3306
02:14:47,910 --> 02:14:44,239
but i think it was bray oh oh um i want

3307
02:14:52,310 --> 02:14:50,069
i'm going to circle back to the nimitz

3308
02:14:54,870 --> 02:14:52,320
uh i'm going to write that down i i

3309
02:14:58,310 --> 02:14:54,880
don't want to forget that it was bray

3310
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:58,320
that said that there were 400 incidents

3311
02:15:03,270 --> 02:15:00,400
that have been reported

3312
02:15:05,990 --> 02:15:03,280
and it seemed like he was saying since

3313
02:15:07,430 --> 02:15:06,000
the uap task force

3314
02:15:10,790 --> 02:15:07,440
came out with a report that they're

3315
02:15:13,830 --> 02:15:10,800
looking at 400 incident reports

3316
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:13,840
the 400 incident reports wouldn't it to

3317
02:15:16,950 --> 02:15:14,800
me

3318
02:15:18,310 --> 02:15:16,960
wouldn't indicate testing against our

3319
02:15:19,030 --> 02:15:18,320
military

3320
02:15:23,109 --> 02:15:19,040
or

3321
02:15:25,189 --> 02:15:23,119
and radar

3322
02:15:27,109 --> 02:15:25,199
it sounds like there's all kinds of

3323
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:27,119
things going on see there's a difference

3324
02:15:30,069 --> 02:15:28,000
okay

3325
02:15:31,270 --> 02:15:30,079
when you go to the nimitz or the one off

3326
02:15:33,109 --> 02:15:31,280
the east coast

3327
02:15:34,870 --> 02:15:33,119
they were battle groups preparing for

3328
02:15:37,430 --> 02:15:34,880
deployments right

3329
02:15:39,109 --> 02:15:37,440
so that would be probably and i'm just

3330
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:39,119
saying this because i'm not an expert

3331
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:39,840
but

3332
02:15:44,069 --> 02:15:42,000
if you think about it you have to

3333
02:15:46,310 --> 02:15:44,079
do r d so

3334
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:46,320
um you have to research and develop it

3335
02:15:51,270 --> 02:15:48,719
then you have to put it out there to see

3336
02:15:52,950 --> 02:15:51,280
how it operates so then you would start

3337
02:15:54,390 --> 02:15:52,960
testing it right

3338
02:15:58,950 --> 02:15:54,400
now

3339
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:58,960
to remember at what 2004 we're almost 20

3340
02:16:07,589 --> 02:15:59,840
years

3341
02:16:09,669 --> 02:16:07,599
likely a lot of the stuff we have is

3342
02:16:10,470 --> 02:16:09,679
starting to become operational

3343
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:10,480
now

3344
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:12,560
here's an interesting point if you draw

3345
02:16:15,669 --> 02:16:13,920
attention to something that people are

3346
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:15,679
going to start seeing

3347
02:16:18,950 --> 02:16:16,880
then you're going to start getting more

3348
02:16:20,229 --> 02:16:18,960
reports so you're going to have a better

3349
02:16:22,069 --> 02:16:20,239
understanding

3350
02:16:24,310 --> 02:16:22,079
of what they're seeing what they're

3351
02:16:26,470 --> 02:16:24,320
reporting how they're reporting it and

3352
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:26,480
what it's doing so they'll be able to

3353
02:16:30,550 --> 02:16:29,199
know how to use it better because you

3354
02:16:32,150 --> 02:16:30,560
obviously

3355
02:16:34,309 --> 02:16:32,160
you know you may want it to be seen

3356
02:16:36,309 --> 02:16:34,319
sometimes you may not but there may be

3357
02:16:38,790 --> 02:16:36,319
times when people are seeing it or being

3358
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:38,800
picked up by certain ways that that you

3359
02:16:43,349 --> 02:16:41,040
know the technology hasn't been

3360
02:16:45,589 --> 02:16:43,359
quite uh tweaked the way it needs to be

3361
02:16:46,790 --> 02:16:45,599
and why would it start after this some

3362
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:46,800
of it could be because more people are

3363
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:49,439
paying attention but this was going on

3364
02:16:53,910 --> 02:16:52,080
before 2004

3365
02:16:55,429 --> 02:16:53,920
so but you have to go back and you're

3366
02:16:57,030 --> 02:16:55,439
gonna have to break this down you're

3367
02:16:59,030 --> 02:16:57,040
gonna because they say it happened

3368
02:17:00,950 --> 02:16:59,040
around military bases you're gonna have

3369
02:17:03,349 --> 02:17:00,960
to go back and look at what we had at

3370
02:17:05,589 --> 02:17:03,359
these bases what we had where these two

3371
02:17:07,750 --> 02:17:05,599
task force were what we had over in the

3372
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:07,760
middle east where certain things happen

3373
02:17:11,509 --> 02:17:09,760
you have to understand

3374
02:17:13,990 --> 02:17:11,519
the what we have available the

3375
02:17:16,070 --> 02:17:14,000
capabilities never mind that we're we've

3376
02:17:19,589 --> 02:17:16,080
gone we've made huge leaps in the last

3377
02:17:22,389 --> 02:17:19,599
decade in quantum you know quantum

3378
02:17:23,589 --> 02:17:22,399
computing and our ability to generate

3379
02:17:26,870 --> 02:17:23,599
power

3380
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:26,880
with the the smaller units to generate

3381
02:17:31,110 --> 02:17:29,280
the power necessary to do this where

3382
02:17:31,990 --> 02:17:31,120
before we were limited more what we

3383
02:17:33,750 --> 02:17:32,000
could do

3384
02:17:34,709 --> 02:17:33,760
based off we had to have a large power

3385
02:17:36,790 --> 02:17:34,719
source

3386
02:17:39,110 --> 02:17:36,800
and now these ships are working like the

3387
02:17:40,389 --> 02:17:39,120
zumwa class that they only made three of

3388
02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:40,399
they actually showed a video at one

3389
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:42,240
point work of cloak yeah it's a

3390
02:17:46,230 --> 02:17:44,080
beautiful ship too by the way yeah but

3391
02:17:48,549 --> 02:17:46,240
it had they have the technology and the

3392
02:17:50,150 --> 02:17:48,559
carriers will have the ability to

3393
02:17:51,750 --> 02:17:50,160
generate that type of because they have

3394
02:17:54,309 --> 02:17:51,760
nuclear generators yeah there's some

3395
02:17:56,469 --> 02:17:54,319
well you can tell it was designed to run

3396
02:17:58,389 --> 02:17:56,479
invisible however they were going to

3397
02:17:59,110 --> 02:17:58,399
pull that off definitely

3398
02:18:00,230 --> 02:17:59,120
right

3399
02:18:02,950 --> 02:18:00,240
okay

3400
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:02,960
so i want to talk about rear admiral

3401
02:18:06,870 --> 02:18:05,200
daley and rear admiral curtis of the

3402
02:18:08,309 --> 02:18:06,880
nimitz battle group

3403
02:18:10,950 --> 02:18:08,319
um and

3404
02:18:12,709 --> 02:18:10,960
that i think that they should be called

3405
02:18:14,389 --> 02:18:12,719
uh to testify

3406
02:18:18,230 --> 02:18:14,399
about uh

3407
02:18:20,629 --> 02:18:18,240
not only the incident itself in 2004 but

3408
02:18:21,910 --> 02:18:20,639
what did they know where's the paperwork

3409
02:18:24,709 --> 02:18:21,920
what happened

3410
02:18:28,629 --> 02:18:24,719
and and so forth and if it was some kind

3411
02:18:30,309 --> 02:18:28,639
of clandestine testing against our own

3412
02:18:33,589 --> 02:18:30,319
military that were out there in

3413
02:18:36,389 --> 02:18:33,599
exercises were they aware of that and

3414
02:18:39,110 --> 02:18:36,399
being rear admirals of of the most

3415
02:18:41,910 --> 02:18:39,120
advanced uh military system on the

3416
02:18:44,469 --> 02:18:41,920
planet which is a nuclear aircraft

3417
02:18:46,309 --> 02:18:44,479
carrier battle group with its submarines

3418
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:46,319
and its guido missile cruisers and

3419
02:18:50,549 --> 02:18:48,479
everything else that's involved there

3420
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:50,559
that they would be

3421
02:18:53,589 --> 02:18:52,160
made aware that there would be testing

3422
02:18:55,589 --> 02:18:53,599
going on number one

3423
02:18:58,549 --> 02:18:55,599
number two

3424
02:19:01,750 --> 02:18:58,559
deputy base commander halt

3425
02:19:04,309 --> 02:19:01,760
was on the scene at randall shim and if

3426
02:19:06,309 --> 02:19:04,319
there was some kind of testing going on

3427
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:06,319
wouldn't the deputy base commander be

3428
02:19:13,429 --> 02:19:09,200
made aware that this is going on outside

3429
02:19:14,709 --> 02:19:13,439
of his facility no because the facility

3430
02:19:15,750 --> 02:19:14,719
the base was

3431
02:19:17,669 --> 02:19:15,760
nato

3432
02:19:18,950 --> 02:19:17,679
and it had a mission and i wanted to

3433
02:19:21,349 --> 02:19:18,960
clarify something with you since you

3434
02:19:22,870 --> 02:19:21,359
brought it up when when people claim

3435
02:19:24,150 --> 02:19:22,880
that we couldn't have nukes to bet

3436
02:19:26,709 --> 02:19:24,160
waters

3437
02:19:28,150 --> 02:19:26,719
that's not factual because this is the

3438
02:19:31,190 --> 02:19:28,160
what happens that people don't

3439
02:19:32,790 --> 02:19:31,200
understand we were not a united states

3440
02:19:35,030 --> 02:19:32,800
air force base

3441
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:35,040
we were a nato base

3442
02:19:39,429 --> 02:19:38,000
we fell under nato treaty and doctrine

3443
02:19:41,750 --> 02:19:39,439
and if you go back and look at the

3444
02:19:43,270 --> 02:19:41,760
doctrine in the treaty we could have

3445
02:19:45,589 --> 02:19:43,280
nuclear weapons there

3446
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:45,599
under nato command

3447
02:19:51,190 --> 02:19:49,280
why would halt tell me the opposite

3448
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:51,200
i mean that's adamant about that he was

3449
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:53,680
like no no no no no i don't want to talk

3450
02:19:57,349 --> 02:19:56,240
about nuclear weapons that were known

3451
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:57,359
just because he didn't want to talk

3452
02:20:01,190 --> 02:19:58,800
about him doesn't mean we couldn't have

3453
02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:01,200
him there i'm not confirming or denying

3454
02:20:06,469 --> 02:20:03,200
what we had there i'm just telling you

3455
02:20:09,030 --> 02:20:06,479
we could have and other bases in usaf

3456
02:20:11,510 --> 02:20:09,040
and over in europe could have nuclear

3457
02:20:13,670 --> 02:20:11,520
weapons off the nato doctrine

3458
02:20:15,270 --> 02:20:13,680
that was a whole separate

3459
02:20:16,790 --> 02:20:15,280
doctrine

3460
02:20:19,270 --> 02:20:16,800
on top of

3461
02:20:22,070 --> 02:20:19,280
an air force base we fell under nato

3462
02:20:24,309 --> 02:20:22,080
which most people don't understand nato

3463
02:20:26,230 --> 02:20:24,319
is a whole different animal on what we

3464
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:26,240
do and what we don't do

3465
02:20:30,309 --> 02:20:28,800
so i'm just letting you know that's not

3466
02:20:32,389 --> 02:20:30,319
factual that we couldn't have nukes

3467
02:20:34,469 --> 02:20:32,399
there i'm not telling you we did i'm

3468
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:34,479
just telling you we could okay we could

3469
02:20:37,349 --> 02:20:36,000
have had nukes other parts of the

3470
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:37,359
country too

3471
02:20:44,230 --> 02:20:40,720
knock one for yes not two for no

3472
02:20:49,510 --> 02:20:46,710
woodbridge

3473
02:20:50,710 --> 02:20:49,520
now halt did say i want to stay focused

3474
02:20:54,070 --> 02:20:50,720
on the hearings

3475
02:20:55,429 --> 02:20:54,080
um but i i do i think that daley and

3476
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:55,439
curtis

3477
02:21:00,790 --> 02:20:57,520
they need to be called to testify they

3478
02:21:03,830 --> 02:21:00,800
want to focus on the nimitz in 2004

3479
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:03,840
and and and fravor and

3480
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:06,640
uh and alex dietrich who i think should

3481
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:09,040
be called to testify as well and so

3482
02:21:14,710 --> 02:21:10,560
should kevin day

3483
02:21:17,510 --> 02:21:14,720
and uh and others um voorhees gary

3484
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:17,520
voorhees but i think uh rear admiral

3485
02:21:21,670 --> 02:21:19,280
daley and curtis

3486
02:21:24,950 --> 02:21:21,680
uh that were in command

3487
02:21:27,110 --> 02:21:24,960
one before the other i think it was uh

3488
02:21:28,389 --> 02:21:27,120
curtis first and then daley took over

3489
02:21:30,070 --> 02:21:28,399
right after

3490
02:21:31,590 --> 02:21:30,080
um but i think that they should be

3491
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:31,600
called to testify

3492
02:21:36,469 --> 02:21:33,920
um and and then there were the

3493
02:21:38,830 --> 02:21:36,479
statements from halt

3494
02:21:41,270 --> 02:21:38,840
circling back to rendelsham

3495
02:21:43,670 --> 02:21:41,280
where i think he took things a step

3496
02:21:45,590 --> 02:21:43,680
further you know what i'm about to say

3497
02:21:49,270 --> 02:21:45,600
that he saw kraft

3498
02:21:50,230 --> 02:21:49,280
beaming lights down on uh the weapons

3499
02:21:52,309 --> 02:21:50,240
depot

3500
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:52,319
what he said was he saw the blue lights

3501
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:54,720
beaming lights down on the weapons depot

3502
02:21:59,349 --> 02:21:56,560
yeah and then he retracted that later

3503
02:22:01,750 --> 02:21:59,359
after he did the robert hastings hearing

3504
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:01,760
and i can only tell you what i was told

3505
02:22:04,950 --> 02:22:03,600
was some of those people that testified

3506
02:22:07,190 --> 02:22:04,960
at those hearings

3507
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,200
were uh talked to by the dod whether

3508
02:22:11,110 --> 02:22:09,359
that's true or not i don't know i do

3509
02:22:13,750 --> 02:22:11,120
know that hal walked back some of that

3510
02:22:16,550 --> 02:22:13,760
after the hearings after the after the

3511
02:22:19,030 --> 02:22:16,560
testimony he did at the the conference

3512
02:22:20,630 --> 02:22:19,040
you know for hastings um

3513
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:20,640
when you ask me what do you know no they

3514
02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:23,439
wouldn't know because martis from heath

3515
02:22:27,030 --> 02:22:25,120
arya bowsey

3516
02:22:29,990 --> 02:22:27,040
and eastern radar and all those didn't

3517
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:30,000
fall under our bentwater's command

3518
02:22:34,710 --> 02:22:32,640
so if marconi

3519
02:22:37,030 --> 02:22:34,720
and the united states government

3520
02:22:38,550 --> 02:22:37,040
and you know we're working on

3521
02:22:40,550 --> 02:22:38,560
you know different

3522
02:22:41,429 --> 02:22:40,560
testing and technology outside the back

3523
02:22:43,510 --> 02:22:41,439
gate

3524
02:22:44,469 --> 02:22:43,520
no they wouldn't have to notify the base

3525
02:22:47,349 --> 02:22:44,479
now

3526
02:22:49,990 --> 02:22:47,359
what i did was told later on williams

3527
02:22:52,150 --> 02:22:50,000
was brought into the loop by gabriel

3528
02:22:54,230 --> 02:22:52,160
whether that's true or not i don't know

3529
02:22:56,309 --> 02:22:54,240
i asked the general directly and i

3530
02:22:58,710 --> 02:22:56,319
didn't get a straight answer from him

3531
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:58,720
that if he did find out more later

3532
02:23:02,309 --> 02:23:00,319
you know it was just like the what are

3533
02:23:03,910 --> 02:23:02,319
these frequencies well i'm a fly-by-wire

3534
02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:03,920
guy you know

3535
02:23:07,510 --> 02:23:06,080
you get the you get to the point where

3536
02:23:09,110 --> 02:23:07,520
when you start getting into the meat and

3537
02:23:11,110 --> 02:23:09,120
potatoes and stuff

3538
02:23:12,790 --> 02:23:11,120
i don't have a need to know i'm not

3539
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:12,800
going to get to know and he's not going

3540
02:23:15,750 --> 02:23:13,920
to tell me

3541
02:23:17,990 --> 02:23:15,760
you know and that's how this is handled

3542
02:23:20,150 --> 02:23:18,000
across the board and so would the base

3543
02:23:22,070 --> 02:23:20,160
directly need to know no now did

3544
02:23:23,910 --> 02:23:22,080
something go wrong maybe

3545
02:23:26,150 --> 02:23:23,920
maybe or maybe they just didn't think

3546
02:23:29,590 --> 02:23:26,160
we'd ever see it i don't know

3547
02:23:31,910 --> 02:23:29,600
but i don't think the first night we

3548
02:23:33,990 --> 02:23:31,920
we just happened to see something and

3549
02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:34,000
then when we reported it radar confirmed

3550
02:23:38,309 --> 02:23:36,080
something was there in the area and

3551
02:23:40,710 --> 02:23:38,319
disappeared and we went out there then

3552
02:23:42,790 --> 02:23:40,720
that led to obviously people started

3553
02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:42,800
watching the woods all the time you know

3554
02:23:47,030 --> 02:23:44,640
what i mean and so you had something

3555
02:23:49,110 --> 02:23:47,040
happen night two and then on the third

3556
02:23:51,110 --> 02:23:49,120
night when when england showed up

3557
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:51,120
according to halt and said it's back

3558
02:23:54,950 --> 02:23:52,960
that's when they sent haul out to figure

3559
02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:54,960
out what was going on now would they

3560
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:57,120
send halt out there if he was told if

3561
02:24:00,630 --> 02:23:59,120
they knew what was going on no they

3562
02:24:02,710 --> 02:24:00,640
would have just told

3563
02:24:03,830 --> 02:24:02,720
the lieutenant we're aware of what's

3564
02:24:05,510 --> 02:24:03,840
going on

3565
02:24:07,270 --> 02:24:05,520
just you know

3566
02:24:09,910 --> 02:24:07,280
because this is what happened with me

3567
02:24:12,710 --> 02:24:09,920
when i came back off of um

3568
02:24:14,790 --> 02:24:12,720
break which was monday i got stuck on

3569
02:24:17,349 --> 02:24:14,800
the gate for three days

3570
02:24:18,870 --> 02:24:17,359
and they brought a team in from langley

3571
02:24:21,510 --> 02:24:18,880
they were out in the woods they were out

3572
02:24:23,750 --> 02:24:21,520
doing stuff and this is what i was told

3573
02:24:25,990 --> 02:24:23,760
you already know about something's going

3574
02:24:28,070 --> 02:24:26,000
on you're aware of something took place

3575
02:24:30,070 --> 02:24:28,080
in the forest we're putting you on the

3576
02:24:31,990 --> 02:24:30,080
gate and if you see anything don't

3577
02:24:33,590 --> 02:24:32,000
report it on the radio call it in on the

3578
02:24:35,750 --> 02:24:33,600
phone

3579
02:24:37,910 --> 02:24:35,760
so they didn't want anybody else out

3580
02:24:40,070 --> 02:24:37,920
there to be exposed to seeing anything

3581
02:24:41,429 --> 02:24:40,080
especially after it got dark

3582
02:24:43,510 --> 02:24:41,439
and they didn't really want people

3583
02:24:45,990 --> 02:24:43,520
paying attention to what was going on

3584
02:24:48,150 --> 02:24:46,000
outside in the forest never mind what

3585
02:24:50,550 --> 02:24:48,160
was brought out of the force on on night

3586
02:24:52,870 --> 02:24:50,560
uh would have been tuesday night

3587
02:24:54,630 --> 02:24:52,880
yeah and and you guys had radios the

3588
02:24:56,550 --> 02:24:54,640
phone you didn't have cell phones there

3589
02:24:59,190 --> 02:24:56,560
was a phone no it was a direct line to

3590
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:59,200
csc in the desk right right right right

3591
02:25:03,110 --> 02:25:01,680
right um and when you say langley you're

3592
02:25:05,990 --> 02:25:03,120
referring to

3593
02:25:07,910 --> 02:25:06,000
uh the cia the c5 came in with langley

3594
02:25:09,510 --> 02:25:07,920
tail number you make up you make of it

3595
02:25:12,389 --> 02:25:09,520
what you want and when went into a

3596
02:25:14,230 --> 02:25:12,399
restricted area air helicopters were and

3597
02:25:15,910 --> 02:25:14,240
people came out of it and they were out

3598
02:25:18,070 --> 02:25:15,920
in the forest so

3599
02:25:19,990 --> 02:25:18,080
if you go if you look in the book we

3600
02:25:22,389 --> 02:25:20,000
actually have an osi agent say they

3601
02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:22,399
brought in every alphabet soup agency

3602
02:25:26,150 --> 02:25:23,840
they were out there trying to figure out

3603
02:25:27,990 --> 02:25:26,160
what was going on there was a discussion

3604
02:25:30,230 --> 02:25:28,000
it could have been the russians

3605
02:25:32,469 --> 02:25:30,240
and there was some kind of anomaly

3606
02:25:33,830 --> 02:25:32,479
taking place every time the phenomenon

3607
02:25:36,469 --> 02:25:33,840
showed up

3608
02:25:38,550 --> 02:25:36,479
so that came directly from an osi agent

3609
02:25:42,469 --> 02:25:38,560
that was involved in the whole thing

3610
02:25:44,630 --> 02:25:42,479
now as as you've had 40 years to think

3611
02:25:46,630 --> 02:25:44,640
about this and you you're not going to

3612
02:25:49,110 --> 02:25:46,640
bed you're going to stay for overtime

3613
02:25:52,469 --> 02:25:49,120
okay okay

3614
02:25:54,550 --> 02:25:52,479
um i don't think we've ever not done

3615
02:25:55,750 --> 02:25:54,560
overtime actually

3616
02:25:57,910 --> 02:25:55,760
um

3617
02:26:01,110 --> 02:25:57,920
now that you've had uh

3618
02:26:03,590 --> 02:26:01,120
40 plus years to think about this

3619
02:26:06,389 --> 02:26:03,600
um and i've we've all heard everything

3620
02:26:08,469 --> 02:26:06,399
that you've just said right now where do

3621
02:26:10,389 --> 02:26:08,479
you live we've got peniston and his time

3622
02:26:13,429 --> 02:26:10,399
travelers from the future

3623
02:26:16,150 --> 02:26:13,439
we have i believe was an alien craft

3624
02:26:18,150 --> 02:26:16,160
that came into the woods i'm still on on

3625
02:26:19,349 --> 02:26:18,160
that part of it and then there could be

3626
02:26:21,349 --> 02:26:19,359
something else and you had nick

3627
02:26:23,429 --> 02:26:21,359
redfern's book that came out a couple of

3628
02:26:24,870 --> 02:26:23,439
years ago i did a show with you about

3629
02:26:27,349 --> 02:26:24,880
that as well

3630
02:26:29,030 --> 02:26:27,359
um where where do you where do you lie

3631
02:26:31,510 --> 02:26:29,040
with the incident today

3632
02:26:34,389 --> 02:26:31,520
where you've you know you've

3633
02:26:36,389 --> 02:26:34,399
you've come to some conclusions

3634
02:26:38,710 --> 02:26:36,399
what was it a b or c

3635
02:26:40,790 --> 02:26:38,720
well here's what i think

3636
02:26:44,309 --> 02:26:40,800
to the best of my ability and knowledge

3637
02:26:47,110 --> 02:26:44,319
based on declassified documents condyne

3638
02:26:48,950 --> 02:26:47,120
which was declassified and

3639
02:26:50,150 --> 02:26:48,960
my interaction with some people behind

3640
02:26:50,950 --> 02:26:50,160
the scenes

3641
02:26:52,150 --> 02:26:50,960
okay

3642
02:26:53,910 --> 02:26:52,160
and

3643
02:26:55,910 --> 02:26:53,920
there was definitely

3644
02:26:57,750 --> 02:26:55,920
and not only in reynoldson

3645
02:27:00,710 --> 02:26:57,760
but in other areas of the world

3646
02:27:02,950 --> 02:27:00,720
including skinwalker there's definitely

3647
02:27:05,590 --> 02:27:02,960
a phenomenon there okay

3648
02:27:11,830 --> 02:27:08,230
what we dealt with was that phenomenon

3649
02:27:13,990 --> 02:27:11,840
no doubt but what we also dealt with was

3650
02:27:16,389 --> 02:27:14,000
the fact that the government was aware

3651
02:27:19,429 --> 02:27:16,399
of this phenomenon and they were doing

3652
02:27:21,830 --> 02:27:19,439
work research on a phenomenon and the

3653
02:27:24,230 --> 02:27:21,840
question is at that point based on the

3654
02:27:26,469 --> 02:27:24,240
stuff that we've uncovered including the

3655
02:27:28,309 --> 02:27:26,479
fact that they were actually beaming in

3656
02:27:31,429 --> 02:27:28,319
frequencies from the lighthouse into the

3657
02:27:33,030 --> 02:27:31,439
forest area using the tunnels to provoke

3658
02:27:33,990 --> 02:27:33,040
the phenomenon

3659
02:27:35,910 --> 02:27:34,000
um

3660
02:27:37,910 --> 02:27:35,920
and it's very possible they were

3661
02:27:39,510 --> 02:27:37,920
trying to at that point learn how to

3662
02:27:41,910 --> 02:27:39,520
create

3663
02:27:43,990 --> 02:27:41,920
you know either control the phenomenon

3664
02:27:46,630 --> 02:27:44,000
or create

3665
02:27:48,389 --> 02:27:46,640
it's kind of hard to understand but

3666
02:27:49,910 --> 02:27:48,399
if you have a real plasma or a

3667
02:27:52,550 --> 02:27:49,920
phenomenon or whatever you want to call

3668
02:27:54,389 --> 02:27:52,560
it could we duplicate it and they were

3669
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:54,399
already working on the ability to do

3670
02:27:56,309 --> 02:27:55,439
that

3671
02:27:59,030 --> 02:27:56,319
you know

3672
02:28:01,110 --> 02:27:59,040
and so we had an interaction

3673
02:28:02,469 --> 02:28:01,120
um myself and adrian vistenza on the

3674
02:28:04,550 --> 02:28:02,479
third night got

3675
02:28:07,030 --> 02:28:04,560
as close to it as anybody

3676
02:28:09,190 --> 02:28:07,040
um according to adrian i disappeared i

3677
02:28:10,830 --> 02:28:09,200
went into it disappeared he had to come

3678
02:28:14,710 --> 02:28:10,840
over the top of him

3679
02:28:16,950 --> 02:28:14,720
now peniston

3680
02:28:19,270 --> 02:28:16,960
recounts over the years has changed but

3681
02:28:20,950 --> 02:28:19,280
he tells you what he remembers

3682
02:28:22,710 --> 02:28:20,960
and if you go to the back to the

3683
02:28:25,110 --> 02:28:22,720
citizens hearings he did admit that the

3684
02:28:27,510 --> 02:28:25,120
va did give him some disability based on

3685
02:28:30,790 --> 02:28:27,520
injuries you know based off of the

3686
02:28:33,190 --> 02:28:30,800
encounter but adrian and i got close to

3687
02:28:35,429 --> 02:28:33,200
it and we've been compensated

3688
02:28:36,550 --> 02:28:35,439
for our injuries for whatever we

3689
02:28:38,950 --> 02:28:36,560
encountered

3690
02:28:41,429 --> 02:28:38,960
now the big question would be

3691
02:28:42,870 --> 02:28:41,439
did we encounter the real uap

3692
02:28:45,750 --> 02:28:42,880
did we encounter

3693
02:28:47,510 --> 02:28:45,760
something we you know we were able to

3694
02:28:50,630 --> 02:28:47,520
replicate you know or were working on

3695
02:28:52,070 --> 02:28:50,640
replicating or what or was it both

3696
02:28:53,270 --> 02:28:52,080
because i was out there two different

3697
02:28:55,670 --> 02:28:53,280
nights

3698
02:28:57,110 --> 02:28:55,680
so but there is there is some kind of

3699
02:28:59,429 --> 02:28:57,120
intelligence

3700
02:29:02,150 --> 02:28:59,439
out there that we're dealing with um

3701
02:29:03,349 --> 02:29:02,160
condy confirms that if you just read the

3702
02:29:05,670 --> 02:29:03,359
report

3703
02:29:07,190 --> 02:29:05,680
um the government british government's

3704
02:29:09,429 --> 02:29:07,200
aware of it they're working on

3705
02:29:13,190 --> 02:29:09,439
developing technology off of it

3706
02:29:14,389 --> 02:29:13,200
and baa system bae systems is part of

3707
02:29:20,550 --> 02:29:14,399
our

3708
02:29:22,630 --> 02:29:20,560
off of northrop grumman and you know and

3709
02:29:23,750 --> 02:29:22,640
stuff so they're working on this there's

3710
02:29:25,990 --> 02:29:23,760
no doubt

3711
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:26,000
so a lot of this technology that we're

3712
02:29:30,870 --> 02:29:28,800
working on is coming from what a uap is

3713
02:29:32,389 --> 02:29:30,880
now the interesting thing was what they

3714
02:29:35,349 --> 02:29:32,399
were interested in me

3715
02:29:36,710 --> 02:29:35,359
what how it affected my mind my you know

3716
02:29:39,190 --> 02:29:36,720
my dna

3717
02:29:40,550 --> 02:29:39,200
um what they felt i may or may not be

3718
02:29:43,190 --> 02:29:40,560
able to do

3719
02:29:45,110 --> 02:29:43,200
from you know it um and one of the

3720
02:29:47,190 --> 02:29:45,120
things that have come up to me that

3721
02:29:48,630 --> 02:29:47,200
stands out to like they're doing

3722
02:29:49,750 --> 02:29:48,640
skinwalker and they're doing some of

3723
02:29:52,309 --> 02:29:49,760
this stuff

3724
02:29:55,670 --> 02:29:52,319
do they have the right people there

3725
02:29:58,309 --> 02:29:55,680
in other words if some of us

3726
02:29:59,830 --> 02:29:58,319
really truthfully have some capabilities

3727
02:30:01,510 --> 02:29:59,840
to attract it

3728
02:30:02,790 --> 02:30:01,520
are they even bringing the right people

3729
02:30:05,429 --> 02:30:02,800
into

3730
02:30:08,309 --> 02:30:05,439
to these areas to see if this will show

3731
02:30:09,750 --> 02:30:08,319
up because when i was in sedona one

3732
02:30:11,429 --> 02:30:09,760
night when we were out there we

3733
02:30:12,309 --> 02:30:11,439
definitely had some strange stuff take

3734
02:30:15,590 --> 02:30:12,319
place

3735
02:30:17,990 --> 02:30:15,600
ah man i had one crazy night a friday

3736
02:30:19,110 --> 02:30:18,000
night in sedona a couple of months ago

3737
02:30:20,309 --> 02:30:19,120
yeah

3738
02:30:22,150 --> 02:30:20,319
dude

3739
02:30:25,110 --> 02:30:22,160
okay i've got to take a break right here

3740
02:30:27,270 --> 02:30:25,120
we'll come back uh uh for overtime but

3741
02:30:31,030 --> 02:30:27,280
john we just got we're at the airport

3742
02:30:33,910 --> 02:30:31,040
you know up on the hill yeah and uh

3743
02:30:36,870 --> 02:30:33,920
i mean i mean one minute

3744
02:30:39,670 --> 02:30:36,880
i barely got my jacket off

3745
02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:39,680
and from behind us low

3746
02:30:42,790 --> 02:30:41,120
low not not

3747
02:30:47,429 --> 02:30:42,800
you know this is just a few thousand

3748
02:30:49,590 --> 02:30:47,439
feet above us around frigging white disk

3749
02:30:50,870 --> 02:30:49,600
and it just went right across

3750
02:30:51,910 --> 02:30:50,880
slow

3751
02:30:54,870 --> 02:30:51,920
low

3752
02:30:57,670 --> 02:30:54,880
lasted for about a minute and just

3753
02:31:00,309 --> 02:30:57,680
continued over sedona and then

3754
02:31:02,710 --> 02:31:00,319
disappeared in the mountains went out

3755
02:31:05,830 --> 02:31:02,720
towards did you go out towards bradshaw

3756
02:31:08,469 --> 02:31:05,840
uh no bradshaw's uh the other direction

3757
02:31:10,790 --> 02:31:08,479
this one this went uh

3758
02:31:12,870 --> 02:31:10,800
north east

3759
02:31:14,469 --> 02:31:12,880
but but my point is

3760
02:31:16,950 --> 02:31:14,479
what the heck was that

3761
02:31:19,349 --> 02:31:16,960
you know it was like i mean

3762
02:31:21,190 --> 02:31:19,359
you know we all hoped for something and

3763
02:31:23,190 --> 02:31:21,200
and this was the very beginning that's

3764
02:31:26,150 --> 02:31:23,200
the moment it didn't it was the only

3765
02:31:27,190 --> 02:31:26,160
time i saw all kinds of crazy stuff but

3766
02:31:29,670 --> 02:31:27,200
that

3767
02:31:32,469 --> 02:31:29,680
was unbelievable i had a friend of mine

3768
02:31:33,510 --> 02:31:32,479
adrian valera uh was with us

3769
02:31:35,190 --> 02:31:33,520
and

3770
02:31:37,030 --> 02:31:35,200
it was just mind-blowing we couldn't

3771
02:31:39,590 --> 02:31:37,040
stop talking about it it was it was

3772
02:31:41,750 --> 02:31:39,600
absolutely well i can honestly tell you

3773
02:31:43,429 --> 02:31:41,760
and i'm not trying to promote sedona but

3774
02:31:45,270 --> 02:31:43,439
i lived there for two years

3775
02:31:46,230 --> 02:31:45,280
it's a unique place

3776
02:31:47,990 --> 02:31:46,240
and

3777
02:31:50,630 --> 02:31:48,000
where you were they claim there's a

3778
02:31:53,190 --> 02:31:50,640
vortex and stuff but you got to remember

3779
02:31:55,190 --> 02:31:53,200
you got luke air force base in gila bend

3780
02:31:56,389 --> 02:31:55,200
so when you ask where some of this could

3781
02:31:57,830 --> 02:31:56,399
have come from

3782
02:31:59,510 --> 02:31:57,840
you know it could have been something

3783
02:32:02,150 --> 02:31:59,520
from down there but

3784
02:32:04,469 --> 02:32:02,160
it if you go out over out in the

3785
02:32:06,389 --> 02:32:04,479
bradshaw ranch area there's a particular

3786
02:32:08,710 --> 02:32:06,399
mountain like a little bit higher

3787
02:32:11,830 --> 02:32:08,720
elevation an area and you can see down

3788
02:32:14,469 --> 02:32:11,840
in the cottonwood and then up over the

3789
02:32:16,150 --> 02:32:14,479
uh the haunted area you know the town

3790
02:32:18,790 --> 02:32:16,160
that sits up on top of the mountain if

3791
02:32:20,790 --> 02:32:18,800
you go up up over the gulp over the hill

3792
02:32:22,630 --> 02:32:20,800
you go between cottonwood and prescott

3793
02:32:25,429 --> 02:32:22,640
there's all kinds of stuff that's always

3794
02:32:27,590 --> 02:32:25,439
going on not every night but there's

3795
02:32:30,550 --> 02:32:27,600
stuff that goes on yeah what a beautiful

3796
02:32:32,150 --> 02:32:30,560
town too i mean just breathtaking let's

3797
02:32:34,550 --> 02:32:32,160
take our break right here this is fade

3798
02:32:36,630 --> 02:32:34,560
to black i am your host jimmy church

3799
02:32:38,950 --> 02:32:36,640
john burroughs we're heading straight to

3800
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3801
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3802
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3804
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born this way this is kjccr

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church great night on the show

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what an awesome way to close out the

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week john burroughs is here we're

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heading into overtime i'm your host

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jimmy church this is fade to black

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and uh john what i normally like to do

3887
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uh when we get to overtimes loosen it up

3888
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a little bit have a little fun but ah

3889
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i don't know i don't know how loose we

3890
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can get because i want to talk about

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gillibrand and the gillibrand amendment

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and what that meant uh to the

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intelligence budget for 2022 after

3894
02:37:39,990 --> 02:37:38,319
uh it uh i would say that it is now law

3895
02:37:43,270 --> 02:37:40,000
right okay so

3896
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if we look at it uh like this there was

3897
02:37:50,469 --> 02:37:46,720
a very specific part in there which i

3898
02:37:53,670 --> 02:37:50,479
call the burrows uh paragraphs okay

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02:37:56,070 --> 02:37:53,680
where she literally um and you've got to

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02:37:58,630 --> 02:37:56,080
think about who's advising her

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02:38:01,429 --> 02:37:58,640
uh for the verbage or for the verb

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02:38:05,750 --> 02:38:01,439
is it verbiage is that the words uh that

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02:38:08,710 --> 02:38:05,760
would correctly the nouns and the verbs

3904
02:38:11,670 --> 02:38:08,720
and uh everything um the sentences

3905
02:38:15,670 --> 02:38:11,680
um were very specific and knowledge

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02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:15,680
based on the subject and in these

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02:38:20,230 --> 02:38:19,040
burrows paragraphs uh they specifically

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cite

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um

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reports of injuries caused by uap

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and

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the

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encounter uap

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02:38:36,070 --> 02:38:34,479
now i thought to myself that's pretty

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02:38:39,110 --> 02:38:36,080
specific

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02:38:41,670 --> 02:38:39,120
right what is it that she knows what are

3917
02:38:43,510 --> 02:38:41,680
the incidents that are going on that we

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02:38:46,710 --> 02:38:43,520
don't know about yet we know about you

3919
02:38:48,790 --> 02:38:46,720
and rendlesham but but other cases right

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02:38:51,270 --> 02:38:48,800
uh that are uh brought forward and of

3921
02:38:54,309 --> 02:38:51,280
course the va has to get involved

3922
02:38:56,389 --> 02:38:54,319
but this was specifically added to the

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02:38:58,150 --> 02:38:56,399
amendment and when you read that what

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02:38:59,030 --> 02:38:58,160
went through your mind

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02:39:01,830 --> 02:38:59,040
well

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02:39:04,469 --> 02:39:01,840
obviously that has some flavor from lou

3927
02:39:07,910 --> 02:39:04,479
because that's one of the reasons why

3928
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:07,920
they want me to go up there um i kind of

3929
02:39:11,830 --> 02:39:10,399
got a it was a twofold feeling why they

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02:39:14,070 --> 02:39:11,840
wanted me up there

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02:39:15,750 --> 02:39:14,080
one they wanted to show

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02:39:17,670 --> 02:39:15,760
the fact that

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02:39:19,910 --> 02:39:17,680
that i that there is proof that i was

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02:39:21,830 --> 02:39:19,920
injured at the incident even though no

3935
02:39:24,790 --> 02:39:21,840
one's really admitted what the incident

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was what happened to us so that would

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show a cover-up you know what i mean

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02:39:31,110 --> 02:39:28,960
that the government actually tried to

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cover up what happened to us

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as far as the injury portion of it you

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know so

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and that's one of the reasons why i

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would be willing to go up there

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would be and and again

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02:39:47,590 --> 02:39:45,040
i find this funny that now they're

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02:39:49,270 --> 02:39:47,600
talking about immunity and lou talked

3947
02:39:51,429 --> 02:39:49,280
about that in this latest interview they

3948
02:39:54,389 --> 02:39:51,439
don't have to give these guys immunity

3949
02:39:56,469 --> 02:39:54,399
they just have to go behind closed doors

3950
02:39:59,270 --> 02:39:56,479
and they can discuss

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classified you know classified stuff

3952
02:40:02,790 --> 02:40:00,479
they don't have to give these guys

3953
02:40:05,270 --> 02:40:02,800
immunity for them to open up

3954
02:40:07,110 --> 02:40:05,280
so that's kind of misleading in itself

3955
02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:07,120
now if you want the public to hear about

3956
02:40:10,630 --> 02:40:09,520
it then you would you still don't have

3957
02:40:13,190 --> 02:40:10,640
to give them

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immunity just you can just basically as

3959
02:40:16,230 --> 02:40:14,720
you know the president can declassify

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anything he wants

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02:40:21,510 --> 02:40:19,200
so they can make whatever you testify

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02:40:23,750 --> 02:40:21,520
to behind closed doors they can

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02:40:26,150 --> 02:40:23,760
declassify it and allow you to talk to

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02:40:28,389 --> 02:40:26,160
the public about it but

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02:40:30,389 --> 02:40:28,399
my guess is because what was interesting

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02:40:31,510 --> 02:40:30,399
about my case too was

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we had

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when we did the citizens hearings the

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only person that knew about the

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classified records section

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02:40:42,230 --> 02:40:39,520
and everything else was the congressman

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from maryland he was an older guy and he

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02:40:46,469 --> 02:40:44,240
knew about what i was talking about and

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02:40:47,670 --> 02:40:46,479
the documents i presented to the

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committee

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02:40:52,550 --> 02:40:50,399
they were real and so his aide came down

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02:40:54,870 --> 02:40:52,560
and talked to me and got in touch with

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02:40:56,309 --> 02:40:54,880
cheryl bennett about what was going on

3979
02:40:58,469 --> 02:40:56,319
and his point was

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02:41:00,630 --> 02:40:58,479
we know about this stuff because my

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02:41:03,510 --> 02:41:00,640
district is where all the secret stuff

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02:41:05,030 --> 02:41:03,520
takes place so therefore over and over

3983
02:41:06,309 --> 02:41:05,040
we have people that are injured in

3984
02:41:08,630 --> 02:41:06,319
different things

3985
02:41:11,190 --> 02:41:08,640
that we can't get headway with until we

3986
02:41:13,429 --> 02:41:11,200
can get the government to handle it

3987
02:41:15,670 --> 02:41:13,439
behind closed doors or through however

3988
02:41:17,269 --> 02:41:15,680
they want to do it so that was one of

3989
02:41:19,990 --> 02:41:17,279
the problems they were having somewhat

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02:41:21,190 --> 02:41:20,000
with my case was they couldn't give me a

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total

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02:41:25,590 --> 02:41:23,279
review because they couldn't have access

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02:41:28,870 --> 02:41:25,600
to the documents they needed

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02:41:31,349 --> 02:41:28,880
to making this you know an assessment on

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02:41:33,590 --> 02:41:31,359
what took place and eventually it was

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taken care of so

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02:41:37,510 --> 02:41:35,200
yeah there's people out there that are

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injured there's people from bent waters

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02:41:42,710 --> 02:41:40,240
that are in that have injuries from it

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that deserve care and that's what i care

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about more than anything this other cat

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mouse game and national security it's

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fine whatever that's that's their

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business not mine okay but my concern is

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02:41:57,269 --> 02:41:55,200
i do believe people that have had

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encounters that have

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problems with it should be compensated

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and taken care of

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and so

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uh

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and

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thank you for that

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02:42:09,830 --> 02:42:07,920
except

4014
02:42:12,150 --> 02:42:09,840
the question was

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02:42:13,830 --> 02:42:12,160
what was your reaction and why do you

4016
02:42:16,389 --> 02:42:13,840
think gillibrand

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02:42:17,670 --> 02:42:16,399
uh specifically had this added to the

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amendment

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um because i think they'll eventually

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get to that

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02:42:25,110 --> 02:42:22,960
i think they will and i think one of the

4022
02:42:27,670 --> 02:42:25,120
things i'll bring up is skinwalker

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because i mean that was very stunning to

4024
02:42:33,429 --> 02:42:30,960
me when george knapp and uh what is a

4025
02:42:35,590 --> 02:42:33,439
cabal carrel or whatever his name

4026
02:42:37,269 --> 02:42:35,600
corbello first talked about it when we

4027
02:42:37,990 --> 02:42:37,279
interviewed him and then nap confirmed

4028
02:42:40,550 --> 02:42:38,000
it

4029
02:42:43,190 --> 02:42:40,560
was that there was special operations

4030
02:42:45,030 --> 02:42:43,200
brought in so this was a government

4031
02:42:47,030 --> 02:42:45,040
operation at that point when they

4032
02:42:49,030 --> 02:42:47,040
brought special forces in

4033
02:42:50,469 --> 02:42:49,040
and they had an encounter with the

4034
02:42:55,830 --> 02:42:50,479
phenomenon

4035
02:42:58,950 --> 02:42:55,840
to where they dispersed to number one

4036
02:43:00,150 --> 02:42:58,960
but number two some of them had injuries

4037
02:43:01,990 --> 02:43:00,160
so

4038
02:43:03,990 --> 02:43:02,000
that one was

4039
02:43:06,870 --> 02:43:04,000
not admitted to by the government as

4040
02:43:08,710 --> 02:43:06,880
much as napa corbell stated that that's

4041
02:43:09,670 --> 02:43:08,720
what took place

4042
02:43:11,670 --> 02:43:09,680
so

4043
02:43:13,910 --> 02:43:11,680
the thing is is that there are people

4044
02:43:15,830 --> 02:43:13,920
that have had interactions

4045
02:43:18,630 --> 02:43:15,840
and they have health issues

4046
02:43:20,550 --> 02:43:18,640
and it's really tough to get care

4047
02:43:22,550 --> 02:43:20,560
or get compensation

4048
02:43:25,110 --> 02:43:22,560
if they won't admit to anything in my

4049
02:43:28,710 --> 02:43:25,120
case i had a hell of a team between

4050
02:43:30,870 --> 02:43:28,720
cheryl bennett john mccain pat frisconia

4051
02:43:34,150 --> 02:43:30,880
and some other people behind the scenes

4052
02:43:36,150 --> 02:43:34,160
you know that helped that got me what i

4053
02:43:38,150 --> 02:43:36,160
needed to have to continue to be alive

4054
02:43:39,910 --> 02:43:38,160
today and be able to function but

4055
02:43:42,309 --> 02:43:39,920
there's so many other people to deserve

4056
02:43:44,550 --> 02:43:42,319
that so no it doesn't surprise me

4057
02:43:47,030 --> 02:43:44,560
but the real question is is will they be

4058
02:43:48,630 --> 02:43:47,040
willing to do that because if they

4059
02:43:50,389 --> 02:43:48,640
bridge that gap

4060
02:43:52,630 --> 02:43:50,399
and they admit people have been injured

4061
02:43:55,269 --> 02:43:52,640
by that and acknowledge it

4062
02:43:57,750 --> 02:43:55,279
that is a form of disclosure

4063
02:44:01,190 --> 02:43:57,760
is is the altering of dna and

4064
02:44:04,870 --> 02:44:01,200
specifically maybe uh in your case

4065
02:44:06,790 --> 02:44:04,880
is that uh is that an injury

4066
02:44:08,389 --> 02:44:06,800
that's a good question that no one's

4067
02:44:10,230 --> 02:44:08,399
ever asked nolan

4068
02:44:11,830 --> 02:44:10,240
you know i mean i've had my interactions

4069
02:44:13,510 --> 02:44:11,840
with dolan and greene

4070
02:44:15,670 --> 02:44:13,520
and you know

4071
02:44:18,550 --> 02:44:15,680
they've made their statements both

4072
02:44:20,790 --> 02:44:18,560
verbally and in writing to me um

4073
02:44:23,030 --> 02:44:20,800
they definitely say my

4074
02:44:25,269 --> 02:44:23,040
my my dna is unique

4075
02:44:27,269 --> 02:44:25,279
um they said that my dna was in no

4076
02:44:29,349 --> 02:44:27,279
database but one but they wouldn't

4077
02:44:31,110 --> 02:44:29,359
clarify which one that was yeah what

4078
02:44:34,710 --> 02:44:31,120
does that even mean i remember you

4079
02:44:37,110 --> 02:44:34,720
telling me they they there's databases i

4080
02:44:37,910 --> 02:44:37,120
mean people don't understand this

4081
02:44:39,510 --> 02:44:37,920
but

4082
02:44:41,830 --> 02:44:39,520
when you do this

4083
02:44:43,750 --> 02:44:41,840
dna testing you know this whatever they

4084
02:44:45,510 --> 02:44:43,760
do the different companies that do it

4085
02:44:47,429 --> 02:44:45,520
right that's all collected

4086
02:44:49,670 --> 02:44:47,439
and that's all they're they're doing a

4087
02:44:50,389 --> 02:44:49,680
lot more than just telling you whether

4088
02:44:52,150 --> 02:44:50,399
you're

4089
02:44:53,750 --> 02:44:52,160
what you know your heritage is they're

4090
02:44:57,030 --> 02:44:53,760
looking at

4091
02:44:59,510 --> 02:44:57,040
dna people's dna this is a major

4092
02:45:00,630 --> 02:44:59,520
government thing that's going on and

4093
02:45:03,349 --> 02:45:00,640
so

4094
02:45:05,750 --> 02:45:03,359
they're looking at dna and dna would

4095
02:45:07,990 --> 02:45:05,760
play a part in technology how

4096
02:45:10,790 --> 02:45:08,000
how you can you know the mind and the

4097
02:45:13,510 --> 02:45:10,800
your body can interact with technology

4098
02:45:15,110 --> 02:45:13,520
you know and whether you could be inside

4099
02:45:17,670 --> 02:45:15,120
you know one of these

4100
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:17,680
crafts uh could they create a super

4101
02:45:21,030 --> 02:45:19,920
soldier do you know what i mean based

4102
02:45:23,990 --> 02:45:21,040
off of

4103
02:45:25,670 --> 02:45:24,000
dna studies you know because they're

4104
02:45:27,510 --> 02:45:25,680
they've already openly admitted that

4105
02:45:29,910 --> 02:45:27,520
they're creating

4106
02:45:31,670 --> 02:45:29,920
create a

4107
02:45:32,790 --> 02:45:31,680
from an embryo they can create what they

4108
02:45:34,309 --> 02:45:32,800
want

4109
02:45:35,910 --> 02:45:34,319
you know there's so many things that are

4110
02:45:38,469 --> 02:45:35,920
going on right now

4111
02:45:40,550 --> 02:45:38,479
as far as you know using the mind

4112
02:45:43,269 --> 02:45:40,560
consciousness itself in controlling your

4113
02:45:45,510 --> 02:45:43,279
weapons putting in an ai

4114
02:45:47,590 --> 02:45:45,520
you know and all this stuff is going on

4115
02:45:49,429 --> 02:45:47,600
and most of the general public doesn't

4116
02:45:51,269 --> 02:45:49,439
even understand that it's going on you

4117
02:45:53,510 --> 02:45:51,279
know they don't even really realize

4118
02:45:55,590 --> 02:45:53,520
where we're going and the ramifications

4119
02:45:59,670 --> 02:45:55,600
it could have on humanity

4120
02:46:00,710 --> 02:45:59,680
i uh did uh did kick green uh suggest to

4121
02:46:02,150 --> 02:46:00,720
you

4122
02:46:04,630 --> 02:46:02,160
um

4123
02:46:07,590 --> 02:46:04,640
that your dna was altered

4124
02:46:08,710 --> 02:46:07,600
no they just said it was unique

4125
02:46:11,750 --> 02:46:08,720
yeah

4126
02:46:12,550 --> 02:46:11,760
and and what one group i mean

4127
02:46:14,950 --> 02:46:12,560
uh

4128
02:46:17,830 --> 02:46:14,960
what what does that mean i look so you

4129
02:46:20,710 --> 02:46:17,840
take your ancestry.com right yeah then

4130
02:46:22,150 --> 02:46:20,720
they tell you that you're an ancestor of

4131
02:46:25,190 --> 02:46:22,160
attila the hun

4132
02:46:28,230 --> 02:46:25,200
or or or whatever that that everybody on

4133
02:46:30,710 --> 02:46:28,240
the planet has got shares that dna

4134
02:46:32,150 --> 02:46:30,720
okay so if they're telling you

4135
02:46:34,070 --> 02:46:32,160
specifically

4136
02:46:37,110 --> 02:46:34,080
uh one group

4137
02:46:39,590 --> 02:46:37,120
what does that even mean alien dna what

4138
02:46:40,870 --> 02:46:39,600
are they suggesting well this is where

4139
02:46:43,590 --> 02:46:40,880
you know it always gets blown out of

4140
02:46:45,510 --> 02:46:43,600
proportion this is what i was told and

4141
02:46:48,150 --> 02:46:45,520
again i have no way of confirming this

4142
02:46:50,950 --> 02:46:48,160
other than the fact that there was two

4143
02:46:53,670 --> 02:46:50,960
ways they got my dna they got it when i

4144
02:46:56,710 --> 02:46:53,680
had my surgery and they got tissue

4145
02:46:59,030 --> 02:46:56,720
and the dod did and um

4146
02:47:01,670 --> 02:46:59,040
so they took that and then he came back

4147
02:47:02,469 --> 02:47:01,680
to me after my surgery and asked me if i

4148
02:47:04,230 --> 02:47:02,479
would

4149
02:47:06,230 --> 02:47:04,240
give them dna now they originally had

4150
02:47:08,070 --> 02:47:06,240
asked me prior to my surgery and they

4151
02:47:09,750 --> 02:47:08,080
wanted to take blood well the

4152
02:47:11,590 --> 02:47:09,760
interesting thing was which he would get

4153
02:47:13,510 --> 02:47:11,600
angry with me but i'd say well the

4154
02:47:15,830 --> 02:47:13,520
database on him is the military database

4155
02:47:17,830 --> 02:47:15,840
number one because they got all of this

4156
02:47:20,070 --> 02:47:17,840
when i had my surgery and he would just

4157
02:47:21,590 --> 02:47:20,080
give me the run around but ultimately

4158
02:47:24,309 --> 02:47:21,600
when they asked for my dna the second

4159
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:24,319
time they wanted saliva so why did they

4160
02:47:27,990 --> 02:47:26,640
not want my blood the second time so

4161
02:47:29,670 --> 02:47:28,000
they already got whatever they were

4162
02:47:31,830 --> 02:47:29,680
looking for and they wanted to follow up

4163
02:47:35,190 --> 02:47:31,840
further for whatever reason probably

4164
02:47:38,230 --> 02:47:35,200
partially two because now i've consented

4165
02:47:40,230 --> 02:47:38,240
to my dna being analyzed where before

4166
02:47:42,150 --> 02:47:40,240
because just remember when you s when

4167
02:47:45,510 --> 02:47:42,160
you send your dna and you've consented

4168
02:47:47,910 --> 02:47:45,520
to have it analyzed yeah yeah so yeah so

4169
02:47:49,590 --> 02:47:47,920
yeah so there you go the what most

4170
02:47:51,110 --> 02:47:49,600
people don't know is the va's doing a

4171
02:47:53,349 --> 02:47:51,120
study where they're studying all

4172
02:47:54,950 --> 02:47:53,359
military veterans in their dna

4173
02:47:57,429 --> 02:47:54,960
every time you go in they'll ask you if

4174
02:47:59,910 --> 02:47:57,439
you'll go cooperate with the test

4175
02:48:02,790 --> 02:47:59,920
but getting to the point is is it was

4176
02:48:04,950 --> 02:48:02,800
unique according to nolan my bloodline

4177
02:48:06,550 --> 02:48:04,960
goes back to christ's time back to the

4178
02:48:11,269 --> 02:48:06,560
christ timeline

4179
02:48:12,389 --> 02:48:11,279
and my my my actual heritage is not

4180
02:48:13,830 --> 02:48:12,399
what you would think it would be i'm

4181
02:48:16,469 --> 02:48:13,840
native it's all

4182
02:48:18,870 --> 02:48:16,479
way back back to the native

4183
02:48:20,870 --> 02:48:18,880
way back to that type of

4184
02:48:23,269 --> 02:48:20,880
that's my dna it's got nothing to do

4185
02:48:24,469 --> 02:48:23,279
with like norwegian or anything like

4186
02:48:26,630 --> 02:48:24,479
that

4187
02:48:29,269 --> 02:48:26,640
and so it goes all the way back to the

4188
02:48:31,349 --> 02:48:29,279
beginning of or christ

4189
02:48:33,190 --> 02:48:31,359
and um

4190
02:48:35,110 --> 02:48:33,200
i could go a step further

4191
02:48:37,510 --> 02:48:35,120
again i can't confirm this other than

4192
02:48:39,590 --> 02:48:37,520
what they've told me is that what

4193
02:48:42,070 --> 02:48:39,600
they've said is and i can make this more

4194
02:48:43,269 --> 02:48:42,080
generic is there certain groups of

4195
02:48:43,860 --> 02:48:43,279
people

4196
02:48:45,030 --> 02:48:43,870
that

4197
02:48:46,550 --> 02:48:45,040
[Music]

4198
02:48:52,950 --> 02:48:46,560
come together

4199
02:48:55,590 --> 02:48:52,960
a child who then creates a new bloodline

4200
02:48:57,269 --> 02:48:55,600
and they said they know about this and

4201
02:49:00,870 --> 02:48:57,279
it's taking place

4202
02:49:03,269 --> 02:49:00,880
so what does that all mean i mean

4203
02:49:06,469 --> 02:49:03,279
i'm not really sure other than it has to

4204
02:49:08,070 --> 02:49:06,479
do with the government's funding this so

4205
02:49:10,230 --> 02:49:08,080
they want to know

4206
02:49:12,630 --> 02:49:10,240
you know and obviously we would tie it

4207
02:49:14,150 --> 02:49:12,640
back again to they want to know what

4208
02:49:17,030 --> 02:49:14,160
happens to a person when they have

4209
02:49:19,349 --> 02:49:17,040
interactions with uaps they want to know

4210
02:49:20,870 --> 02:49:19,359
everything about them after obviously

4211
02:49:24,150 --> 02:49:20,880
they can't know about what you were all

4212
02:49:26,230 --> 02:49:24,160
about beforehand at least back in 1980

4213
02:49:28,630 --> 02:49:26,240
they weren't doing it i'm sure anybody

4214
02:49:30,550 --> 02:49:28,640
in you know they have dna samples now

4215
02:49:31,750 --> 02:49:30,560
they take when you first come in so

4216
02:49:34,389 --> 02:49:31,760
maybe

4217
02:49:35,910 --> 02:49:34,399
you can get a before and after yeah for

4218
02:49:38,630 --> 02:49:35,920
the guys that have come in and i

4219
02:49:41,429 --> 02:49:38,640
actually had my dna sample taken back in

4220
02:49:42,550 --> 02:49:41,439
the gulf war but we in 1980 that wasn't

4221
02:49:44,710 --> 02:49:42,560
going on

4222
02:49:47,510 --> 02:49:44,720
so there's a lot of interest in dna

4223
02:49:48,950 --> 02:49:47,520
bloodlines um the ability of what the

4224
02:49:52,150 --> 02:49:48,960
mind can do

4225
02:49:55,110 --> 02:49:52,160
you know how you know it can be used the

4226
02:49:57,349 --> 02:49:55,120
um actual the bloodlines himself

4227
02:49:58,309 --> 02:49:57,359
probably would trace back

4228
02:50:00,630 --> 02:49:58,319
you know

4229
02:50:03,429 --> 02:50:00,640
i don't know is it alien i i don't know

4230
02:50:06,150 --> 02:50:03,439
i mean we we can't ever even agree on

4231
02:50:07,910 --> 02:50:06,160
how we came to be right

4232
02:50:09,510 --> 02:50:07,920
you have the adam and me story you have

4233
02:50:11,190 --> 02:50:09,520
the monkey story

4234
02:50:14,070 --> 02:50:11,200
you know so

4235
02:50:15,590 --> 02:50:14,080
they're going pretty deep into this

4236
02:50:18,230 --> 02:50:15,600
you know and they're spending money

4237
02:50:22,710 --> 02:50:18,240
that's coming from the taxpayer

4238
02:50:25,030 --> 02:50:22,720
in your uh regression uh therapy

4239
02:50:26,790 --> 02:50:25,040
sessions um

4240
02:50:28,630 --> 02:50:26,800
now i know some of this has been

4241
02:50:30,389 --> 02:50:28,640
discussed public i don't know how far

4242
02:50:33,190 --> 02:50:30,399
you want to go with this but

4243
02:50:34,469 --> 02:50:33,200
um was kit green part of those

4244
02:50:35,590 --> 02:50:34,479
regression

4245
02:50:39,110 --> 02:50:35,600
sessions

4246
02:50:41,510 --> 02:50:39,120
no um interesting enough the

4247
02:50:44,550 --> 02:50:41,520
but this again this is something that

4248
02:50:47,349 --> 02:50:44,560
you can't prove with documents but

4249
02:50:50,550 --> 02:50:47,359
the whole thing i started smelling

4250
02:50:52,710 --> 02:50:50,560
technology back in 1988 because when

4251
02:50:55,429 --> 02:50:52,720
they were doing ufo cover up live i got

4252
02:50:57,590 --> 02:50:55,439
contacted i got brought to la i met with

4253
02:51:00,150 --> 02:50:57,600
the guy by the name of kurt brubacher

4254
02:51:01,590 --> 02:51:00,160
who had his own technology company he

4255
02:51:04,389 --> 02:51:01,600
had worked for gm

4256
02:51:06,550 --> 02:51:04,399
he'd worked for learjet and he was had a

4257
02:51:08,230 --> 02:51:06,560
technology company and just the

4258
02:51:10,630 --> 02:51:08,240
questions he was asking and where he was

4259
02:51:12,070 --> 02:51:10,640
going with this to me directly led me to

4260
02:51:14,469 --> 02:51:12,080
believe that he was looking at

4261
02:51:16,950 --> 02:51:14,479
technology in our incident right then

4262
02:51:20,469 --> 02:51:16,960
and there and eventually

4263
02:51:23,110 --> 02:51:20,479
we i got pulled from ufo cover up live

4264
02:51:25,349 --> 02:51:23,120
he pulled me he didn't want me in it

4265
02:51:27,750 --> 02:51:25,359
um i did the hypnosis

4266
02:51:29,990 --> 02:51:27,760
that he went through bob emeneger who

4267
02:51:32,630 --> 02:51:30,000
was the early you know

4268
02:51:34,550 --> 02:51:32,640
guy that you know now there's there's

4269
02:51:37,830 --> 02:51:34,560
new players but he was a player back

4270
02:51:40,790 --> 02:51:37,840
then doing stuff and they brought this

4271
02:51:43,190 --> 02:51:40,800
guy in who put me under and the question

4272
02:51:44,630 --> 02:51:43,200
some analogy and what you know what was

4273
02:51:47,990 --> 02:51:44,640
going on with it

4274
02:51:49,910 --> 02:51:48,000
and then after the after the uh hypnosis

4275
02:51:52,630 --> 02:51:49,920
was over he brought in other people

4276
02:51:54,710 --> 02:51:52,640
including chuck norcaro who was working

4277
02:51:57,510 --> 02:51:54,720
on technology at the time to include he

4278
02:51:59,910 --> 02:51:57,520
ended up working with yoda which is um

4279
02:52:01,670 --> 02:51:59,920
andy marshall who was the top think tank

4280
02:52:03,670 --> 02:52:01,680
in technology period for the us

4281
02:52:06,150 --> 02:52:03,680
government for decades

4282
02:52:09,349 --> 02:52:06,160
so they were looking at technology and

4283
02:52:12,630 --> 02:52:09,359
rentals from back in 1988

4284
02:52:14,469 --> 02:52:12,640
was there in the in

4285
02:52:16,710 --> 02:52:14,479
the regression i've just got a little

4286
02:52:20,630 --> 02:52:16,720
bit of time left and i've never asked

4287
02:52:22,550 --> 02:52:20,640
you these questions okay during the

4288
02:52:24,710 --> 02:52:22,560
regression do you remember are you

4289
02:52:26,550 --> 02:52:24,720
conscious do you remember the the

4290
02:52:28,550 --> 02:52:26,560
session itself

4291
02:52:29,830 --> 02:52:28,560
after the after this after the session

4292
02:52:32,389 --> 02:52:29,840
was over

4293
02:52:35,030 --> 02:52:32,399
um not totally obviously i that was

4294
02:52:37,510 --> 02:52:35,040
videoed so i watched it right but the

4295
02:52:39,110 --> 02:52:37,520
thing about it was and i'm just basing

4296
02:52:40,309 --> 02:52:39,120
this on all the interactions i've had

4297
02:52:42,870 --> 02:52:40,319
over the years

4298
02:52:45,990 --> 02:52:42,880
was there were things that took place in

4299
02:52:48,150 --> 02:52:46,000
my hypnosis that led them to believe

4300
02:52:50,870 --> 02:52:48,160
that i had some kind of interaction with

4301
02:52:54,389 --> 02:52:50,880
whatever uap is right and which is my

4302
02:52:56,550 --> 02:52:54,399
question it so did it in the session i'm

4303
02:52:58,790 --> 02:52:56,560
so i'm so glad you know exactly where

4304
02:53:01,110 --> 02:52:58,800
i'm going with this your dna has been

4305
02:53:03,510 --> 02:53:01,120
altered you can read minds i'm just

4306
02:53:05,349 --> 02:53:03,520
letting you know john okay all right all

4307
02:53:08,389 --> 02:53:05,359
right all right um

4308
02:53:10,389 --> 02:53:08,399
did you reference aliens

4309
02:53:13,429 --> 02:53:10,399
did you reference et

4310
02:53:16,710 --> 02:53:13,439
and contact in those sessions no it was

4311
02:53:18,790 --> 02:53:16,720
reference to this in this way

4312
02:53:21,110 --> 02:53:18,800
what we were dealing with was something

4313
02:53:23,269 --> 02:53:21,120
from the future

4314
02:53:25,990 --> 02:53:23,279
okay and they didn't really emphasize

4315
02:53:30,230 --> 02:53:26,000
whether it was us or something else

4316
02:53:32,870 --> 02:53:30,240
that was had come back to look at us

4317
02:53:34,150 --> 02:53:32,880
and the implications were something

4318
02:53:36,870 --> 02:53:34,160
happened

4319
02:53:38,389 --> 02:53:36,880
you know something happens before

4320
02:53:41,190 --> 02:53:38,399
you know where they were

4321
02:53:42,790 --> 02:53:41,200
that's affected the future okay

4322
02:53:45,349 --> 02:53:42,800
and that

4323
02:53:46,950 --> 02:53:45,359
they were looking at this

4324
02:53:49,110 --> 02:53:46,960
you know they were they were watching

4325
02:53:50,469 --> 02:53:49,120
they were they were evaluating us and

4326
02:53:53,750 --> 02:53:50,479
what was going on

4327
02:53:56,389 --> 02:53:53,760
so i can only assume that maybe it was

4328
02:53:58,070 --> 02:53:56,399
what we were working on technology wise

4329
02:53:59,590 --> 02:53:58,080
and what we were doing but the

4330
02:54:02,070 --> 02:53:59,600
interesting thing was two things that

4331
02:54:04,070 --> 02:54:02,080
came out of this one i've kind of hinted

4332
02:54:06,070 --> 02:54:04,080
at one i've never said before

4333
02:54:08,550 --> 02:54:06,080
the one thing was there they're going to

4334
02:54:09,910 --> 02:54:08,560
be back for me in the future

4335
02:54:11,670 --> 02:54:09,920
and that really brought a lot of

4336
02:54:13,670 --> 02:54:11,680
interest from a lot of people

4337
02:54:16,309 --> 02:54:13,680
the second thing was

4338
02:54:18,309 --> 02:54:16,319
that was implicated was i may very well

4339
02:54:21,110 --> 02:54:18,319
have been talking to myself from the

4340
02:54:23,030 --> 02:54:21,120
future

4341
02:54:25,910 --> 02:54:23,040
are you okay with that

4342
02:54:27,269 --> 02:54:25,920
no but the more you look into it

4343
02:54:29,429 --> 02:54:27,279
if we do

4344
02:54:31,429 --> 02:54:29,439
no i mean are you okay with talking to

4345
02:54:34,710 --> 02:54:31,439
yourself from the future

4346
02:54:36,710 --> 02:54:34,720
what is the case i i don't you know the

4347
02:54:38,230 --> 02:54:36,720
thing is is that wouldn't it be

4348
02:54:40,950 --> 02:54:38,240
wouldn't that be amazing if what they've

4349
02:54:43,750 --> 02:54:40,960
said is true right that we we're an

4350
02:54:46,150 --> 02:54:43,760
energy force which is what they we were

4351
02:54:48,630 --> 02:54:46,160
dealing with was energy right our

4352
02:54:51,110 --> 02:54:48,640
consciousness is part of the energy

4353
02:54:53,750 --> 02:54:51,120
and and and then we pick the body to

4354
02:54:55,750 --> 02:54:53,760
come in but in the future we no longer

4355
02:54:56,950 --> 02:54:55,760
need the body we're just energy and

4356
02:54:58,710 --> 02:54:56,960
consciousness

4357
02:55:00,550 --> 02:54:58,720
and wouldn't it be cool

4358
02:55:03,830 --> 02:55:00,560
if you could interact with yourself in

4359
02:55:06,710 --> 02:55:03,840
the future because what you would learn

4360
02:55:09,110 --> 02:55:06,720
from yourself in the future you could

4361
02:55:11,269 --> 02:55:09,120
implement to keep things from happening

4362
02:55:15,030 --> 02:55:11,279
in the present going forward

4363
02:55:18,150 --> 02:55:15,040
now if i if if i

4364
02:55:20,150 --> 02:55:18,160
if i if i time traveled right uh you

4365
02:55:22,790 --> 02:55:20,160
know either contacted myself in the

4366
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:22,800
future or was able to do that into the

4367
02:55:26,710 --> 02:55:24,720
past you know what i'd be dealing with i

4368
02:55:30,230 --> 02:55:26,720
wouldn't deal with technology

4369
02:55:32,230 --> 02:55:30,240
i wouldn't deal with uh alien i wouldn't

4370
02:55:33,990 --> 02:55:32,240
deal with you know i you know what i

4371
02:55:36,309 --> 02:55:34,000
would deal with

4372
02:55:38,070 --> 02:55:36,319
what stocks to buy

4373
02:55:42,309 --> 02:55:38,080
that's what i would deal with man that's

4374
02:55:46,710 --> 02:55:44,309
you don't want to change you don't want

4375
02:55:47,910 --> 02:55:46,720
to go back and kill hitler you know you

4376
02:55:49,429 --> 02:55:47,920
don't want to go back you don't want to

4377
02:55:52,389 --> 02:55:49,439
alter history

4378
02:55:55,510 --> 02:55:52,399
you just want to know what stocks to buy

4379
02:55:56,870 --> 02:55:55,520
well that's that's true jimmy but think

4380
02:55:58,309 --> 02:55:56,880
of it this way

4381
02:56:00,230 --> 02:55:58,319
you don't want to have a paradox you

4382
02:56:02,150 --> 02:56:00,240
don't want to melt down

4383
02:56:04,550 --> 02:56:02,160
i like my life the way it is right now i

4384
02:56:07,030 --> 02:56:04,560
don't want to go back and mess with it

4385
02:56:08,550 --> 02:56:07,040
so now i'm not a radio host i don't

4386
02:56:10,230 --> 02:56:08,560
really but but

4387
02:56:13,990 --> 02:56:10,240
think of it this way jimmy you have a

4388
02:56:17,590 --> 02:56:16,469
not yet okay but let's just say for

4389
02:56:19,670 --> 02:56:17,600
example

4390
02:56:22,070 --> 02:56:19,680
just say your daughter has children and

4391
02:56:25,110 --> 02:56:22,080
they have children right right as we go

4392
02:56:26,550 --> 02:56:25,120
forward in the future

4393
02:56:29,429 --> 02:56:26,560
was there things that we did with

4394
02:56:32,150 --> 02:56:29,439
technology that caused a problem that

4395
02:56:34,469 --> 02:56:32,160
could be averted to make things better

4396
02:56:36,469 --> 02:56:34,479
from that moment whenever they change it

4397
02:56:39,190 --> 02:56:36,479
going forward do you know what i mean

4398
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:39,200
that's that's all i'm getting at

4399
02:56:42,070 --> 02:56:41,279
and so the butterfly effect from that

4400
02:56:45,349 --> 02:56:42,080
though

4401
02:56:47,670 --> 02:56:45,359
you may do that right you could fix a

4402
02:56:50,230 --> 02:56:47,680
pandemic or you could fix tech not you

4403
02:56:52,230 --> 02:56:50,240
know you could but what if

4404
02:56:54,070 --> 02:56:52,240
my daughter doesn't exist in the future

4405
02:56:55,910 --> 02:56:54,080
because we altered something else and

4406
02:56:57,990 --> 02:56:55,920
everything else changed

4407
02:57:00,150 --> 02:56:58,000
and and something else happened

4408
02:57:01,990 --> 02:57:00,160
well that's true but but i want to just

4409
02:57:05,269 --> 02:57:02,000
use your daughter's example

4410
02:57:08,070 --> 02:57:05,279
the future of humanity in other words

4411
02:57:10,630 --> 02:57:08,080
what it appeared to be which was bizarre

4412
02:57:11,910 --> 02:57:10,640
in 1988 this was way before all the

4413
02:57:14,469 --> 02:57:11,920
stuff on the internet and everything

4414
02:57:16,550 --> 02:57:14,479
else was they were concerned about

4415
02:57:18,230 --> 02:57:16,560
something we had done that affected

4416
02:57:21,269 --> 02:57:18,240
their future

4417
02:57:23,510 --> 02:57:21,279
yeah like buy the right stock

4418
02:57:25,110 --> 02:57:23,520
yeah well yeah that's yeah

4419
02:57:27,910 --> 02:57:25,120
but you know what i'm getting that you

4420
02:57:30,070 --> 02:57:27,920
know humanity itself and what it does

4421
02:57:32,630 --> 02:57:30,080
to us you know and everything else i

4422
02:57:34,630 --> 02:57:32,640
don't know what to make of it this is

4423
02:57:37,030 --> 02:57:34,640
that's just something i've never really

4424
02:57:39,510 --> 02:57:37,040
talked about but it was there yeah

4425
02:57:40,950 --> 02:57:39,520
that's fascinating and i've only got two

4426
02:57:43,190 --> 02:57:40,960
minutes left i'm going to stay right on

4427
02:57:44,070 --> 02:57:43,200
this okay

4428
02:57:45,830 --> 02:57:44,080
you know

4429
02:57:49,190 --> 02:57:45,840
always felt that

4430
02:57:51,670 --> 02:57:49,200
it was uh us from the future that he was

4431
02:57:54,150 --> 02:57:51,680
told that in the download right yeah

4432
02:57:56,630 --> 02:57:54,160
well that's what well that we don't have

4433
02:57:58,950 --> 02:57:56,640
a lot of time to cover it he had him

4434
02:58:01,110 --> 02:57:58,960
have no not accession where that came

4435
02:58:04,710 --> 02:58:01,120
out in his hypnosis right after that

4436
02:58:06,230 --> 02:58:04,720
hypnosis that's when his story evolved

4437
02:58:08,710 --> 02:58:06,240
right he wasn't talking about any of

4438
02:58:11,750 --> 02:58:08,720
this prior to his hypnosis were you

4439
02:58:14,790 --> 02:58:11,760
aware of the time travel

4440
02:58:16,870 --> 02:58:14,800
uh comments uh from peniston when you

4441
02:58:19,110 --> 02:58:16,880
had your regression my regression was

4442
02:58:22,630 --> 02:58:19,120
before his that's my point mine was in

4443
02:58:24,950 --> 02:58:22,640
1988 his was 96. no and that was one of

4444
02:58:27,190 --> 02:58:24,960
the reasons why i took him seriously for

4445
02:58:29,030 --> 02:58:27,200
a while right right i took him seriously

4446
02:58:31,590 --> 02:58:29,040
for a while because of the regression it

4447
02:58:33,830 --> 02:58:31,600
was taped what i saw i saw the

4448
02:58:36,309 --> 02:58:33,840
transcripts and some of the same things

4449
02:58:39,429 --> 02:58:36,319
came out on his and mine now nothing

4450
02:58:41,349 --> 02:58:39,439
came out about binary a download

4451
02:58:44,790 --> 02:58:41,359
or you know anything like that it just

4452
02:58:47,590 --> 02:58:44,800
simply was there was a correlation with

4453
02:58:50,550 --> 02:58:47,600
whatever we were dealing with was

4454
02:58:53,510 --> 02:58:50,560
from somewhere in the future coming back

4455
02:58:56,950 --> 02:58:53,520
to observe what was taking place wow

4456
02:59:01,110 --> 02:58:59,030
and i definitely it appears from the

4457
02:59:03,190 --> 02:59:01,120
hypnosis and what people saw i had an

4458
02:59:05,110 --> 02:59:03,200
interaction with it

4459
02:59:08,150 --> 02:59:05,120
absolutely incredible

4460
02:59:10,150 --> 02:59:08,160
at the beginning of the show i'm going

4461
02:59:12,309 --> 02:59:10,160
to give you 90 seconds

4462
02:59:14,070 --> 02:59:12,319
uh to answer this i can stretch it to

4463
02:59:15,990 --> 02:59:14,080
two minutes you asked me at the

4464
02:59:18,070 --> 02:59:16,000
beginning of the show what i felt about

4465
02:59:20,150 --> 02:59:18,080
disclosure and and

4466
02:59:22,469 --> 02:59:20,160
and the significance of the hearings and

4467
02:59:24,309 --> 02:59:22,479
and where we are today i'm going to ask

4468
02:59:26,550 --> 02:59:24,319
you the same question

4469
02:59:30,389 --> 02:59:26,560
is is

4470
02:59:33,750 --> 02:59:30,399
what is going to happen in 2022

4471
02:59:35,830 --> 02:59:33,760
is it what the media and the community

4472
02:59:36,950 --> 02:59:35,840
and everybody else is expecting that we

4473
02:59:38,230 --> 02:59:36,960
are

4474
02:59:41,030 --> 02:59:38,240
we're about to have a serious

4475
02:59:42,630 --> 02:59:41,040
conversation about et and ufos do you

4476
02:59:44,309 --> 02:59:42,640
think that this is

4477
02:59:46,309 --> 02:59:44,319
headed in that direction

4478
02:59:48,230 --> 02:59:46,319
well i think there's two things to bring

4479
02:59:49,910 --> 02:59:48,240
into this confirmation was a big loss

4480
02:59:53,670 --> 02:59:49,920
that was going to take place definitely

4481
02:59:55,429 --> 02:59:53,680
has the next question is how much of how

4482
02:59:57,670 --> 02:59:55,439
much of this is going to be held back by

4483
03:00:00,309 --> 02:59:57,680
national security how much is congress

4484
03:00:02,309 --> 03:00:00,319
going to allow this to to do be

4485
03:00:04,230 --> 03:00:02,319
number one will they make it public or

4486
03:00:07,269 --> 03:00:04,240
are they at least going to get more

4487
03:00:09,670 --> 03:00:07,279
updates themselves and then how much of

4488
03:00:11,830 --> 03:00:09,680
it will lead to funding but the bottom

4489
03:00:14,309 --> 03:00:11,840
line is disclosure to me

4490
03:00:17,830 --> 03:00:14,319
is they have to tell us

4491
03:00:19,429 --> 03:00:17,840
where somebody in in authority and i

4492
03:00:21,349 --> 03:00:19,439
don't necessarily think it has to be the

4493
03:00:22,309 --> 03:00:21,359
president but they have to come out and

4494
03:00:24,550 --> 03:00:22,319
admit

4495
03:00:26,870 --> 03:00:24,560
that we are interacting with

4496
03:00:27,830 --> 03:00:26,880
with some kind of intelligence

4497
03:00:29,670 --> 03:00:27,840
now

4498
03:00:31,110 --> 03:00:29,680
how far they'll go from there

4499
03:00:33,269 --> 03:00:31,120
we'll probably

4500
03:00:35,190 --> 03:00:33,279
cut it off pretty quick because of

4501
03:00:37,670 --> 03:00:35,200
national security issues but if they

4502
03:00:39,110 --> 03:00:37,680
admit there's no doubt

4503
03:00:41,910 --> 03:00:39,120
and they've kind of done that with the

4504
03:00:42,950 --> 03:00:41,920
video but like say for example i go up

4505
03:00:45,830 --> 03:00:42,960
there and some other people go up there

4506
03:00:48,950 --> 03:00:45,840
and they say yeah he was injured we we

4507
03:00:50,309 --> 03:00:48,960
admit to that and yes it was by uaps now

4508
03:01:05,030 --> 03:00:50,319
you've you're a lot closer to the

4509
03:01:08,710 --> 03:01:06,389
are we learning from and what are we

4510
03:01:11,990 --> 03:01:08,720
doing with it john thank you so much and

4511
03:01:13,990 --> 03:01:12,000
the links for john's book are below over

4512
03:01:15,030 --> 03:01:14,000
on our website and throughout social

4513
03:01:17,670 --> 03:01:15,040
media

4514
03:01:19,670 --> 03:01:17,680
john it's been a crazy 40 years my

4515
03:01:21,590 --> 03:01:19,680
friend and i hope that we get some

4516
03:01:23,830 --> 03:01:21,600
answers here soon for you and for the

4517
03:01:25,670 --> 03:01:23,840
rest of us thank you fingers crossed

4518
03:01:26,590 --> 03:01:25,680
fingers crossed jimmy but don't hold

4519
03:01:28,389 --> 03:01:26,600
your breath either

4520
03:01:31,349 --> 03:01:28,399
[Laughter]

4521
03:01:33,590 --> 03:01:31,359
john we'll talk tomorrow all right talk

4522
03:01:36,150 --> 03:01:33,600
to you later jimmy behave and be well

4523
03:01:38,710 --> 03:01:36,160
john burroughs what a great show tonight

4524
03:01:40,950 --> 03:01:38,720
it was a perfect show

4525
03:01:42,950 --> 03:01:40,960
john burroughs and his book the links

4526
03:01:45,110 --> 03:01:42,960
are are below and they're over on the

4527
03:01:47,110 --> 03:01:45,120
website of course and we have them on

4528
03:01:48,389 --> 03:01:47,120
social media go and read the book it's

4529
03:01:50,070 --> 03:01:48,399
an amazing read

4530
03:01:52,150 --> 03:01:50,080
i'm your host jimmy church tomorrow

4531
03:01:54,550 --> 03:01:52,160
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4532
03:01:56,469 --> 03:01:54,560
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03:01:58,710 --> 03:01:56,479
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4536
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4537
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4538
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4540
03:02:16,070 --> 03:02:12,240
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4541
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4542
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4547
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4548
03:02:31,110 --> 03:02:28,160
church until tomorrow night with fader

4549
03:02:35,160 --> 03:02:31,120
night i want everybody to be safe

4550
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it's time to fade to black